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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

The mysterious St. Nicholas.

The first major problem in the Santa Claus saga is the person of St. Nicholas. There is very little evidence, if any, that the man St. Nicholas actually existed.

Nicholas' existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life except that he was probably bishop of Myra in the fourth century. . .
("Nicholas, Saint" Encyclopaedia Britannica 99)
Nicholas, Saint (lived 4th century), Christian prelate, patron saint of Russia, traditionally associated with Christmas celebrations. The accounts of his life are confused and historically unconfirmed.
("Nicholas, Saint" Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 99)

Unfortunately, very little is known about the real St. Nicholas. Countless legends have grown up around this very popular saint, but very little historical evidence is available. (Del Re, Gerard and Patricia. The Christmas Almanack. New York: Random House, 2004, p. 130)

In 1969, the final nail in the coffin to the feeble fable of St. Nicholas was officially hammered down. Despite the fact, St. Nicholas is among Roman Catholicism’s most popular and venerated "Saints," Pope Paul VI officially decreed the feast of Saint Nicholas removed from the Roman Catholic calendar. UPI Wire Services reported that St. Nicholas and forty other saints were deleted because "of doubt that they ever existed." ("Pope Marches 40 Saints Off Official Church Calendar." UPI Wire Services. <www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=389>)

Because the saint's life is so unreliably documented, Pope Paul VI ordered the feast of Saint Nicholas dropped from the official Roman Catholic calendar in 1969. ("Santa Claus" Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 99)
The next devastating error in the traditional "Santa comes to America" legend is Irving’s Knickerbocker History. Irving claims the early Dutch planted the legend of Sinter Klaas in America. One little problem – it is historically false. In fact, Irving, a well known fiction author of such classics as Rip Van Winkle and The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, never intended Knickerbocker History as historical fact, but silly satire. To heighten the satire and humorous effect, Irving even used the comical pen-name of Diedrich Knickerbocker as author.

In October 1954, prominent St. Nicholas historian, Charles W. Jones, published an irrefutable dismantling of the historical accuracy of Irving’s Knickerbocker History in the prestigious, The New-York Historical Society Quarterly titled, "Knickerbocker Santa Claus." Jones proved the early New Amsterdam Dutch were Reformation Dutch who believed the veneration of saints as evil heresy, especially St. Nicholas. Jones provided first-hand documents of the early Dutch that decrees "very severe" laws prohibiting any celebration of St. Nicholas. Jones added that "there is no record of anyone breaking such laws." Jones’s convincing analysis should be carefully examined by anyone researching the true origin of Santa. The following brief cites are from Jones’s convincing work:

Nearly everyone repeats this story [the Dutch-Santa]. . . But when we look at the evidence—that is, the newspapers, magazines, diaries, books, broadsides, music, sculpture, and merchandise of past times, the picture is not substantiated. (Jones, Charles. W. "Knickerbocker Santa Claus." The New-York Historical Society Quarterly, October 1954, Volume XXXVIII Number Four, p. 362)
There is no evidence that it [Santa Claus] existed in New Amsterdam, or for a century after occupation. . . (Jones, Charles. W. "Knickerbocker Santa Claus." The New-York Historical Society Quarterly, October 1954, Volume XXXVIII Number Four, p. 362)

I have not found evidence of St. Nicholas in any form—in juveniles or periodicals or diaries—in the period of Dutch rule, or straight through the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries to the year 1773. (Jones, Charles. W. "Knickerbocker Santa Claus." The New-York Historical Society Quarterly, October 1954, Volume XXXVIII Number Four, p. 362)

Jones also adds insult to injury. The traditional tale that Santa Claus is the anglicized corruption of the Dutch Sinter Klaas is also incorrect. Jones states, "And by the way, Santa Claus is not a characteristically Dutch corruption. The place it has survived from early times in Switzerland and southern Germany." (Jones, Charles. W. "Knickerbocker Santa Claus." The New-York Historical Society Quarterly, October 1954, Volume XXXVIII Number Four, p. 366)

When examined with historical facts, the oft-repeated history of Santa is so full of gross errors it ranks among histories greatest goofs.

The final death-blow to the traditional tale of Santa Claus is the belief that Santa Claus is actually the mystic Bishop St. Nicholas. We previously established that no historical evidence exists collaborating the person of St. Nicholas, but ignoring that serious blunder for a few minutes, let us investigate the fable that Santa and St. Nicholas are the same.

The truth is, there exists no factual connection from St. Nicholas to Santa Claus. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Every serious researcher into the origin of Santa Claus verifies this fact. A few examples, among hundreds, validates our ironclad case:

Years of research confirmed that initial doubt: Santa Claus is an Americanization, all right, but not of a Catholic Saint. . . Despite a century of repetition, this story is simply untrue. . . (Siefker, Phyllis. Santa Claus, Last of the Wild Men: The Origins and Evolution of Saint Nicholas. Jefferson: McFarland & Company, Inc., 1997, pp. 5,7)

The dilemma was solved by transferring the visit of the mysterious man whom the Dutch called Santa Claus from December 5 to Christmas, and by introducing a radical change in the figure itself. It was not merely a "disguise," but the ancient saint was completely replaced by an entirely different character. . .With the Christian saint whose name he still bears, however this Santa Claus has really nothing to do. (Weiser, Francis X. Handbook of Christian Feasts and Customs. New York: Harcourt, Brace & World, Inc., 1952, p. 114)

Although the Dutch brought Sinta Claes [sic] with them to the New World in the seventh century, Santa Claus was not born until the nineteenth century and was an American, not a Dutch, creation. . . If Nicholas, the ascetic bishop of fourth-century Asia Minor, could see Santa Claus, he would not know who he was. (Del Re, Gerard and Patricia. The Christmas Almanack. New York: Random House, 2004, pp. 138,141)

Another serious obstacle in the "St. Nicholas is Santa Claus" legend involves the date of December 25. The Feast and Visit of St. Nicholas is celebrated on December 6 (the fictional date of his death), not December 25. Even today, St. Nicholas Day and Sinter Klaas are still celebrated on December 6. The date of St. Nicholas Day has never been December 25.

Despite the many times the Santa legend is told, the magical St. Nicholas to Santa Claus fairy-tale is simply untrue.

Where did Santa come from?

Nearly all Santa researchers agree that some traits of Santa was borrowed from Norse [Scandinavian] mythology.

Encyclopedia Britannica describes the role of Nordic mythology in the life of Santa:

Sinterklaas was adopted by the country's English-speaking majority under the name Santa Claus, and his legend of a kindly old man was united with old Nordic folktales of a magician who punished naughty children and rewarded good children with presents. ("Santa Claus" Encyclopaedia Britannica 99)
Some Santa researchers associate Santa with the Norse "god" of Odin or Woden. Crichton describes Odin as riding through the sky on an eight-legged, white horse name Sleipnir. (Santa originally had eight reindeers, Rudolph was nine). Odin lived in Valhalla (the North) and had a long white beard. Odin would fly through the sky during the winter solstice (December 21-25) rewarding the good children and punishing the naughty. (Crichton, Robin. Who is Santa Claus? The Truth Behind a Living Legend. Bath: The Bath Press, 1987, pp. 55-56)


Mythologist Helene Adeline Guerber presents a very convincing case tracing Santa to the Norse god Thor in Myths of Northern Lands:

Thor was the god of the peasants and the common people. He was represented as an elderly man, jovial and friendly, of heavy build, with a long white beard. His element was the fire, his color red. The rumble and roar of thunder were said to be caused by the rolling of his chariot, for he alone among the gods never rode on horseback but drove in a chariot drawn by two white goats (called Cracker and Gnasher). He was fighting the giants of ice and snow, and thus became the Yule-god. He was said to live in the "Northland" where he had his palace among icebergs. By our pagan forefathers he was considered as the cheerful and friendly god, never harming the humans but rather helping and protecting them. The fireplace in every home was especially sacred to him, and he was said to come down through the chimney into his element, the fire. (Guerber, H.A. Myths of Northern Lands. New York: American Book Company, 1895, p. 61)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isaiah 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15  Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16  They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17  That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18  All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19  But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When was Yeshua (Jesus) really born?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn teaching according to the Hebrew calender and the bible.
He also brings in Christ's/Messiah's 2nd return!

WOW, this is amazing!
Course of Abijah - building tablernacle was 9 months - Hello Yeshua!
You need knowledge of the bible - and some knowledge of Jewish things to figger it out!
Everything happening TODAY is happening to fullfill prophecies about Christ's 2nd coming.

I knew Yeshua was not born in December, but I thot it was Sept.
Cahn's case for April birth is perfect.Hebrew month of Nissan.
Yeshua, the LORD JESUS CHRIST, was born Nissan 1
The old is past - all things are now new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfPXPQ5LwwQ


Jonathan Cahn also wrote the book - The Harbinger, Isaiah 9 prophecy
This book/DVD was UPDATED in May 2014
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about2307.html


Israel is beginning January 2015 a cashless society
January 7, 2015 -  Your cash is no good here! Cashless society = 666

Cashless society law to be implemented in Israel.  The government has issued its final recommendations on limiting the use of cash in business transactions. Long detailed article
http://www.timesofisrael.com/message...s-no-good-here


Because of the signs it was given power to perform, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth.
It forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast,
for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.
Revelation 13
http://biblehub.com/niv/revelation/13.htm
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Christmas 1/5: Rejection of Jesus - Creation Liberty Evangelism 12-8-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c6V-pYSf1k

Christmas 2/5: Rejection of Jesus - Creation Liberty Evangelism 12-15-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGg2McKsfI

Christmas 3/5: Rejection of Jesus - Creation Liberty Evangelism 12-22-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yp9wxiDIc

Christmas 4/5: Rejection of Jesus - Creation Liberty Evangelism 12-29-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvckYapPws

Christmas 5/5: Rejection of Jesus - Creation Liberty Evangelism 1-5-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8PnZKz7IM
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http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=8746

End Time Current Events–12-20-15 — Part 1

Table of Contents:
• Historians Shows Link Between Christmas & the Ancient Pagan Romans
• Semiramis, Tammuz, Christmas & Human Sacrifice
• “Demon Revels”: Pagans Exchange Male Infant Body Parts as Gifts on Christmas Eve/December 24th

PDF: http://www.contendingfortruth.com...-Time-Current-Events-12-20-15.pdf

Audio: http://www.contendingfortruth.com...tent/uploads/454.1-12-20-15-C.mp3


http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=8742

End Time Current Events–12-20-15 — Part 2

Table of Contents:
• The Origins Of Christmas
• Cernunnos | Feasting on December’s Darkness
• Scott Johnson’s Past Teachings on X-mas

Audio: http://www.contendingfortruth.com...ontent/uploads/454.2-12-20-15.mp3
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Audio Inside Link: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=122415013144
Christmas: The Image of Jealousy - Tammuz - Babylonian Worship
12/24/2015 (THU)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2017
Aug 21 will be a solar eclipse

Sept 23 is Rosh HaShana = God's New Year  ( one of them, lol  )
Rosh HaShana is known as - the day no one knows the hour
That date there is news around the virgin moon serpent Revelation

Revelation 12 sign on 2017 Sept 9, 23
The Revelation 12 Sign occurs on September 23rd.
The Male Child is on September 9th.
http://mehaf.freeforums.net/thread/63

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