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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I wrote FINAL CALL on May 6, 2010 and ask if he sees a volcano in Hawaii erupting SOON?
Here is his reply - ( mixed with my comments )

FC  May 6, 2010
In the coming months there will be a LOT more than just one VOLCANO erupting here and there.
ALL of them including the "Extinct" ones are going to blow at some point in the near future.

Not all at once, but one here another there - new ones just appearing, old ones rumbling back to life.

(CJ - There are many undersea volcanoes which seem to be awaking.
Henry Gruver saw the Cascades blowing when China invaded western USA. )


The weather is going to go REALLY insane.  The seas will become a very dangerous place to be.
Coastlines will vanish, millions displaced, crops will die, people will riot, food will run out (famine), governments collapse.
Wars as the vacuum created by the crumbling economy is filled with wannabe dictators no longer afraid of the USA rushing in.

But even these will run out of steam.  Everything runs on OIL, and OIL is going to vanish.
No more tanks, ships, trucks, cars.  Wars will be fought the same way as mankind has always fought them, with the point of a sword.

(CJ - The gusher in the Gulf of Mexico just the beginning.  http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about578.html

Duduman saw Americans fighting the Russians with sticks when our homeland is invaded
http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about708.html

The time for Mercy is over
There will be GREAT JOY for those who have already passed through the fires, but nothing but doom and shame for those who have played games.
Most christians dont REALLY believe half the things they say, they dont KNOW the Lord.

The false church system is about to fall and fall HARD....there will be many "Unexplained" deaths..and a LOT of "Suicides" amongst the so called "Leadership".
The purveyors of the false gospel will all die - Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, TD Jakes - all of them, dead.


(CJ - How often I have said 'TIME's UP!'   YES there will be GREAT JOY for true Believers, but Oh, what a weeping and wailing for the pretenders!
YES, the phony homo-sin ordaining churches will fall hard amid Divine judgment.)

GREAT JUDGMENT MORNING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6ST-At6lE

The sheep now without a sheperd will scatter. Many will fall away, but SOME will need help.
Some DO really love the Lord, they were just decieved,  and they will be drawn by the Holy Spirit to those prepared for such a time as this,
to heal the broken hearted, bind up the wounds and set the captives FREE.

(CJ  - WHY would the Lord rapture all the true Believers, when we will be needed so badly?  He wont.  RAPTURE is FALSE DOCTRINE.
SONG - Setting all the captives FREE -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ZuxRSIfPM )


At last the Bride will be getting her act together.
She will finally be ONE, and only YESHUA JESUS our Great Lord, MOST High GOD will matter, for HE only is our Husband.
HE is coming quickly to get His Bride, but FIRST He must make His Bride ready, and THIS is about to take place.

Through the fires of persecution and the famines and the wars, the BRIDE, the TRUE ones, will be refined and made white.
Then at the LAST trumpet before the final wrath falls, she will be taken and be HOME at LAST, while the Lord deals with whats left of the wicked of the earth.


(CJ  - This sound like a pre-wrath rapture.  I do not debate that point.  Its all up to the Lord.  
GOD WILL BE GOD and will do it all His way.

OH!  HOW I LONG FOR the DAY WE WILL BE ONE!
OH!  HOW I LONG FOR SIN to be CLEANSED FROM THE EARTH!
)

He will raise you up on eagle's wings!   http://www.youtube.com/v/4rRea9qnjK4&hl=en_US&fs


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Time of Christ's return Reply with quote

Final Call said:
At last the Bride will be getting her act together.
She will finally be ONE, and only YESHUA JESUS our Great Lord, MOST High GOD will matter, for HE only is our Husband.
HE is coming quickly to get His Bride, but FIRST He must make His Bride ready, and THIS is about to take place.

Through the fires of persecution and the famines and the wars, the BRIDE, the TRUE ones, will be refined and made white.
Then at the LAST trumpet before the final wrath falls, she will be taken and be HOME at LAST, while the Lord deals with whats left of the wicked of the earth.

(CJ  - This sound like a pre-wrath rapture.  I do not debate that point.  Its all up to the Lord

Poppajoe said: -  The official Pre-wrath position has the timing of the rapture after the 6th seal and what FC said it would be at the 7th Trump before the vial judgments of God wrath.

Both David Wilkerson and I hold this same belief as FC that the Church would be changed at this time.

I Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

Mat 24:31 And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All I'm saying is that we will be changed, not necessarily removed from the Earth and God will protect us through his final wrath poured on the wicked.
For the dead to meet those that are alive to be with the Lord in the air is only six feet.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Time of Christ's return Reply with quote

Poppajoe wrote:
Both David Wilkerson and I hold this same belief as FC that the Church would be changed at this time.


Well that settles in then - no wonder why alot of these mainline "Christian end times" MBs don't allow David Wilkerson talk.
They say how "he prophecies stuff that doesn't come true"
well, it's obvious now, it's b/c he doesn't hold the pre-trib position.

Like mentioned before, I believe the Lord will protect and provide for his church while on earth during the tribulation.
If we have to go to the guillotine? Wasn't Wynnclyfe burned in the fire by the Catholics during the Protestant Reformation, that resulted in many getting saved, and more bibles getting published?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: David Wilkerson's Last Trump Position Reply with quote

I didn't realize what his view was on the return of the Lord until I read this book.

In his book "God's Plan in the Coming Depression", written in 1998 on page 99.

Quote:
"I personally believe God is going to remove his bride before he pours out his final vials of wrath upon the earth.


So he is sharing these warnings knowing all of us are going through this and we're not going to have an early escape like so many believe.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: David Wilkerson's Last Trump Position Reply with quote

So he is sharing these warnings knowing all of us are going through this and we're not going to have an early escape like so many believe.[/quote]

1998? Wasn't it around the same time those "Left Behind" novels and products shot up on those best-seller lists?

Thank the Lord we have someone like Wilkerson that gave the truth then, when the NWO et al was trying to brainwash believers into buying into a bad doctrine.

You should look up Dave McPherson - he couldn't graduate from some bible seminary b/c after he confided to friends over how the pre-trib doctrine is a lie, word got out, and he got the shaft.
More and more seminaries are requiring their students to believe in pre-trib, and their professors to teach it.

McPherson's work exposing the pre-trib lie has been highly respected.

BTW - I'm also surprised at some of the most staunch Christians that are pre-trib.
DA Waite is one example - he's been a long-time researcher and staunchest defender of the 1611 KJV.
I bought one of his recently, and it is EXCELLENT. However - I was surprised to learn he's pre-trib.
Fortunately though, his pre-trib views has NO effect on the KJVs he sells (i.e. he translates some of the older and harder words very well).

Ditto Charles Stanley and John MacArthur - Stanley's monthly newsletters with teachings related to scripture is very good, and very helpful, and MacArthur's bible study commentaries has some nuggets in them
(even though he's said stuff that were really off the wall). Both of them are old-timers, so you would think otherwise.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BornAgain2 said:

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1998? Wasn't it around the same time those "Left Behind" novels and products shot up on those best-seller lists?


!998 was the copyright listed in the book

As for the "Left Behind" novels, I don't remember when they came out.
I always get so upset when they distort the truth, add and take away from the scriptures.

I pray that the scales will fall from their eyes before it is too late.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the most part - almost all of these "evangelicals" that gets lots of air-time are pretty dirty.
The NWO's biggest enemy is Christianity, so it makes you wonder why they hate Christians so much, but there are those(Graham, Warren, Haggard, Lindsey, J. Rosenberg, Hagee, LaHaye, Jenkins, et al) that somehow sneak in hour after hour to the point where they become media darlings out of the blue, and even the most wicked of publishing companies like Zonderfan embrace their work(i.e. PDL and LB became best-sellers even among non-Christians).

It's just the case of common sense here - secular media && mostly secular audience, but the secular audience and the secular journalists have "no problems" with these "evangelicals" - something never added up right.

Also - when LaHaye and Jenkins were on Rachel Maddow one time, it was so obvious all three of them were "playing off of one another" ala pro-wrestling.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Christians still believe in a pre-trib rapture. They are deceived.
I was raised pre-trib and considered anything else heresy.
Remember, this false rapture doctrine is rampant - in the most 'christian' churches.

As you pointed out - Baptist seminaries wont graduate anyone who doubts the rapture - and churches wont usually hire a pastor not rapture escapist.

I mention there is no rapture from time to time and am greeted with a 'HUH!?'  Laughing

I am told Hal Lindsey and other rapture teachers are stocking piling food and preparing for the trib.
Kinda makes me go .. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .....

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we will be changed, not necessarily removed from the Earth and God will protect us through his final wrath poured on the wicked.


Now that is interesting.
After Jesus resurrection, He was 'changed' yet inter-acted with others before His ascension.
Once 'changed' our bodies would become immortal yet we would still be able to talk to and help others here on earth.
I would not promote that as a doctrine, but its interesting and has some substance from some reports, testimonies I have heard.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is that if there is going to a change but when?

1 Corinthians 15
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-52.htm

I Cor 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

Mat 24:31
And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I Thes 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I really don't see it as a doctrine but it is a scriptural fact that it is going to happen, but we just don't know exactly when yet.


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