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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Don't expose Muslim atrocities
23 May 2012  
MSNBC’s new golden girl was in a pickle: If someone sees a black person committing rape or domestic violence, should he report it if it makes black people look bad?
Or if Muslims see wife-beating, genital mutilation and childhood sexual abuse, should they just keep it to themselves, because saying something gives ammunition to the “Islamophobes”?

The questions appear to be simple. But they posed a challenge for the host of the new “Melissa Harris-Perry” show when guest Mona Eltahawy talked about her Foreign Policy magazine cover story about abuse of women by men in the Muslim world.

Eltahawy speaks from experience: She had her arms broken in a demonstration in Egypt and was tortured and raped in an Egyptian jail cell.
So she seemed surprised to find Harris-Perry questioning her right to draw attention to “traditions” such as involuntary female circumcision, wife-beating and childhood sexual abuse.

“I start with a little bit of trepidation in this conversation,” the host said, “in part because I know some of the critiques of this. The very idea that Western press, those that are not from these nations, who are not Muslim ourselves, who are not part of these traditions can look at your article and say ‘ahhh, look at how horrible those men, or those societies, or that religion is.’

“And that is part of the reason why, for example, we have an under-reporting of rape and domestic violence in African American communities,” Harris-Perry continued. “Because we know the violence enacted on black men by police, so we often don’t call. Right?”

Then the MSNBC host brought in Harvard professor Leila Ahmed, who questioned whether Eltahawy should have written the article at all. Not because it was false, but because it made Muslims look bad.

“You began, Melissa, by noting that some things in the African-American community are not publicized precisely because of the racism,” said Ahmed as Harris-Perry nodded in agreement on a split screen.

“Mona, I appreciate what you do,” continued Ahmed. “I would love it if – I understand if you want to get your message across. It’s an important message. But if possible [you should not] give fuel, fodder to people who simply hate Arabs and Muslims in this climate of our day.”
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/msnbc-dont-expose-muslim-atrocities
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran: Discovery will collapse Christianity
Says Turkish 'Bible' has Barnabas forecasting Muhammad's coming

5/23/12  Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.
Turkey confiscated a leather-bound text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation in 2000. Turkish authorities believe the text could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas, one of Jesus’ apostles and an associate of the apostle Paul.

This version of the Barnabas Gospel was written in the 5th or 6th century and it predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammad and the religion of Islam, the Basij Press claims.

The Christian world denies the existence of such a gospel.
However, religious scholars have said another version of the Barnabas Gospel, discovered a century ago, was written less than 500 years ago, which would post-date Mohammad.

In Chapter 41 of the Barnabas Gospel, Basij claims, is this statement: “God has hidden himself as Archangel Michael ran them (Adam and Eve) out of heaven, (and) when Adam turned, he noticed that at top of the gateway to heaven, it was written ‘La elah ela Allah, Mohamad rasool Allah,’” meaning Allah is the only God and Mohammad his prophet.

UHM...well now, if that doesnt prove the thing a fake...
The Turkish army has taken possession of the Barnabas Gospel because the “Zionists” and the governments of the West are trying to suppress its contents, Basij Press claims.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-d...istianity/?cat_orig=faith&utm
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There is no Barnabas Gospel.  The REASON for the counsil of Nicea was to dump the crap and canonize the TRUE WORD OF GOD preserved in 66 books of our Holy bible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslim Brotherhood infiltrates U.S. public schools? You wont believe shocking ties of group behind Arabic language classes.
Linked: 2012-06-02 22:19:07 By: Aaron

A flurry of news media reports last week highlighted a Harlem public elementary school that will become the first in New York to require students to study Arabic.

Entirely unreported is that the organization that co-created and funded the Arabic language program for the New York school, KleinOnline has found, maintains close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood while the group’s founder also started the Al Jazeera television network.

The Qatar Foundation International, or QFI, a nonprofit group financed by the government of Qatar, gave Harlem’s Hamilton Heights, a K-5 public school school, a $250,000 grant to support the Arabic program for three years.

The school’s Arabic language program was reportedly developed by QFI and the the Global Language Project.

In addition to the Harlem school, KleinOnline found that the QFI just awarded “Curriculum Grants” to seven U.S. schools and language organizations to “develop comprehensive and innovative curricula and teaching materials to be used in any Arabic language classroom.”

Those schools include Bell High School, a Los Angeles public school, and Safford K-8 in Arizona’s Tucson Unified School District.

QFI, based in Washington DC, is the U.S. branch of the Qatar Foundation, founded in 1995 by Qatar’s ruling emir, Sheikha Hind bint Hamad Al Thani.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will Romney say about this?  Rolling Eyes

Mormon group shows its support in Salt Lake City gay parade
June 2012
SALT LAKE CITY (Reuters) - Nearly 300 Mormons marched in a gay pride parade on Sunday, holding signs that read "God Loves His Children" in a unique display of support from believers of a religious tradition that has long opposed homosexuality.
"When people hear that Mormons are marching with gay and lesbian people in Salt Lake City... I think that's going to be a surprise," said Dustin Lance Black, the Academy Award-winning screenwriter of the 2008 movie "Milk" about slain San Francisco gay activist Harvey Milk. Black, who is gay and was raised Mormon, was the parade's grand marshal.

"They are fostering a level of acceptance that hasn't traditionally been there," he said.

Erika Munson, 52, a devout Mormon and mother of five, founded the group Mormons Building Bridges and led it in the annual Utah Pride Parade in support of the gay community. She had grown uncomfortable with the image of their church as anti-gay.

"I feel like this is the time to speak up. I've always felt like I was supportive in my own way of the LGBT community but I've had to keep that and my commitment for the church separate," she said, using a common term for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgender people.

Munson's group is not endorsed by or directly affiliated with Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Mormon faith teaches that gay sex is a sin and for decades church leaders have denounced homosexuality as unnatural, endorsed reparative therapies aimed at altering sexual orientation and excommunicated some gay members.
Since the 1990s, the church also has publicly backed campaigns to block legalized gay marriage.

Church leaders have softened their stance on homosexuality in recent years, saying the origins of sexuality are not fully understood. The church also has endorsed Utah laws to protect LGBT people from job and housing discrimination and in 2010 denounced gay bullying.

The Mormon group in Sunday's parade waved signs saying "LDS (loves) LGBT" and drew cheers from bystanders lining the route, just blocks from the Mormon Church headquarters. They marched in suits and conservative dresses and were in stark contrast to the thousands of other participants.

The revelers ranged from supporters of Planned Parenthood to members of the Queer Utah Aquatic Club who danced along the street wearing only swimming suits, bow ties and top hats. A man who went by the name of Penelope Pap Smear marched in a pink dress.

Sharon Griffiths, 58, a lesbian and former Mormon who recently lost a gay nephew to suicide, said she was grateful for the Mormon representation in the parade.
"My heart is absolutely full in gratefulness that this Christ-like love they talk about in church, I see here in action today," said Griffiths, who came out in the 1970s after years of being active in the church.

Utah has the nation's 12th highest rate of youth suicide, according to a 2009 report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. On average, two teens a day are treated in Utah emergency rooms after suicide attempts, state health department data from 2008 to 2010 showed.

While it is not clear how many of Utah's youth suicides occur in the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, experts say that LGBT youth are at already at an increased risk for suicide and attempted suicide, and could be cause for concern in Utah.
"I know we have a lot work to do still and there's still a lot we don't agree about yet," Black said. "But certainly, today felt like a first step in a healing process."
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catholics Love CCM
Why do Catholics love "Christian" rock, and yet HATE gospel tracts? Why are some of the biggest "Christian" rock musicians loved and praised by Catholics, while street-preaching, Bible-believing Christians are attacked and accused of "hate speech"?
Why? Because the modern CCM movement is only dangerous to the body of Christ! The LOST world loves CCM!
God is NOT behind "Christian" rock and roll! He will NOT use it, or bless it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vq1Yi6wQUrA


The worst case scenario has come to pass
within the Southern Baptist Convention

In 1992-1993, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) investigated Freemasonry and published A Study of Freemasonry and issued a A Report on Freemasonry which contained the following recommendation:

Quote:
In light of the fact that many tenets and teachings of Freemasonry are not compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, while others are compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, we therefore recommend that consistent with our denomination’s deep convictions regarding the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church, membership in a Masonic Order be a matter of personal conscience. Therefore, we exhort Southern Baptists to prayerfully and carefully evaluate Freemasonry in light of the Lordship of Christ, the teachings of the Scripture, and the findings of this report, as led by the Holy Spirit of God.


The study and report were produced by the Home Mission Board (HMB) of the SBC.   The trustees of the HMB (about 80 people)  were notified in writing of the existence of a Masonic savior prior to reviewing A Report on Freemasonry which contained the recommendation that membership be only a matter of personal conscience.   Even though they had direct evidence that Freemasonry has a secret savior, the trustees voted to approve the heretical position.   The report was carried before the entire convention in 1993 and approved by the messengers from the various churches.  At that point, the Southern Baptist Convention, as a denomination, voted to continue to allow Freemasons to use the churches as a cover while they meet in secret in the lodge to teach salvation on the basis of imitating Hiram Abiff.  Since that time, the Home Mission Board has been renamed the North American Mission Board.  The NAMB distributed the report issued by the HMB after the name change.  Additional evidence of the intentional dishonesty by leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention came to light in 2001.  Supporting Masonic documents which were "quoted" in  A Report on Freemasonry were obtained by Ephesians 5:11, Inc..  The report contains intentional misquotes of these Masonic documents which demonstrate collusion, and/or intentional dishonesty.  The details are revealed in The Myth of the Christian Lodge.  Source documents are available.  The false report with the officially sanctioned misquotes can be found on the NAMB website.  Godly people do not put forth intentional falsehood.  Once falsehood is identified, they do not continue to embrace it.

Most of the churches within the convention have embraced the position and continue to allow Masons to be not only members, but pastors, deacons and teachers within the congregations.  A relatively small number have taken issue with the study and report and have taken a position against Freemasonry.  Some exclude Freemasons from membership.  Others exclude them from leadership, as if it is acceptable for the membership to meet in the lodges and take part in ritual which teaches salvation on the basis of another savior.

Northside Baptist Church, in Indianapolis, is a representative SBC congregation which has decided to condone and even defend Freemasonry.  They have done so, even though they have seen evidence which substantiates the existence of a Masonic savior.  Leadership has examined copies of Masonic Monitors, including the Kentucky Monitor which states that Jesus is a savior for Christians, while Hiram Abif is a savior for Masons.  The congregation has received multiple mailings over time which documented the facts.  Our tract, Should we ignore their secret savior to maintain unity in the church? was provided to those on the church mailing list.  In addition, Xerox copies of Grand Lodge documents which documented the existence of a Masonic savior, Hiram Abif were provided.  A final letter was published in the Ephesians 5:11, Inc.  newsletter and mailed to them during September, 1999.  A copy of the newsletter with supporting documents which substantiate the Luciferian nature of Freemasonry and the existence of the Masonic savior may be download in PDF form.  Permission is given to duplicate the document.
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/impact.htm
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ISLAM - MUSLIMS - MOHAMMED
The god of forces / fortresses of Daniel 11

   
Ever wonder who the god of fortresses is?
Here is a quote from Isaac Newton; notice he uses Mahuzzim from the original Hebrew, and there is a connection to their disregard for women.

OBSERVATIONS upon the PROPHECIES of DANIEL, and the APOCALYPSE of St. JOHN By Sir ISAAC NEWTON.

CHAP. XIII. “Of the King who did according to his will, and magnified himself above every God, and honoured Mahuzzims, and regarded not the desire of women.”

Contemporary Bibles say “honored the god of fortresses” but Ambrose Phillipps gives a detailed explanation in his book quoted below.

Mahometanism in its Relation to Prophecy by Ambrose Lisle Phillipps (pub. 1855)

PROPHECIES CONCERNING ANTICHRIST. 191
“He shall worship the god Maozim"   What is Maozim?
St. Jerome informs us that “Maozim," or " Mahuzzim," as Bishop Newton writes it after the Hebrew, signifies strongholds," "forces"
Now, the god of Mahomet was emphatically a god of forces, of strongholds, of physical force :
his implement, both for extending his spiritual and temporal dominion, was one and the same instrument, the sword.
Not the sword of the Spirit, but that sword of which Jesus Christ had declared,
“Put up again the sword into its place, for all that take the sword shall perish by the sword.

Now, Mahomet's god was the god of the sword, even the god Maozim, or, as the Hebrews read it, the god Mahuzzim.”
And who is so blind, as not to see further in this remarkable word, whether the " Maozim "of the Septuagint, or the " Mahuzzim " of the Hebrew,
a still more remarkable and wonderful coincidence between it and the name of the False Prophet ?

Write it Mahomet, Mohammed, or Muhammed, it cannot fail to remind us of Maozim and Mahuzzim.
And if we would pursue such coincidences a little further, we may find an equally striking one between the Maozim and Mahuzzim of the Prophet,
and the Muezzim of the Mahometan mosques.
The Muezzim amongst the Mahometans are criers, who ascend the minarets of their mosques to call the people to pray to the God of Mahomet.
This coincidence had often struck the writer of this treatise, but he was glad to find that it is recognized and enforced by the learned author of a very remarkable
French work on Prophecy, " La Fin des Temps" to which the reader has been already referred;
in page xiii of his Pre- face it is emphatically alluded to, as also in the body of that learned work.
And if the reader will procure that work, he will see how ably the writer treats it.
   
Obama said he loved the call of the Muezzim coming from the mosques minarets “the most beautiful sound on earth.”
Our solders know well that mosques are used as fortresses equipped with guns, ammo, grenade launchers and even dungeons.

Daniel 11  whole chapter
Amos 3:11  An enemy will overrun the land; he will pull down your strongholds and plunder your fortresses.
Amos 6:8  I abhor the pride of Jacob and detest his fortresses; I will deliver up the city and everything in it.
Micah 7:17  


Islam, Quran verses prove Islam is violent
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOES JESUS RESPECT ISLAM? NO!!!
September 16, 2010       By Coach Dave Daubenmire
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:5-6

I have watched with a great deal of curiosity the feeding frenzy created by the White House regarding the burning of the Quran by a pastor in Florida.
I am always leery of where it is the media is trying to take me.
First of all, they want us to know that Pastor Terry Jones shepherds a “small congregation” in Gainesville, Florida,
as if behavior is validated by the number of followers that one has. Evidently Joel Osteen’s version of the Gospel is better than Pastor Jones’ because he has such a large following.
I’m sure that Pastor Osteen would never do such a “hateful” thing.

You certainly realize that this whole event was driven by the White House, don’t you?
Dont you find it troubling that Obama, Hellary, Eric Holder, General Petreaus, and Robert Gates weighed in on this insignificant Pastor’s behavior?
Why would they choose to blow oxygen on that small pyre?
Obama ignores appeals for his birth certificate but speaks out on a small-potatoes pastor?
Tell me you are not that stupid.

It didn’t happen by accident.  I would say that there is a direct connection to the Ground Zero Mosque and the White House’s attempt to show us how intolerant Christianity is.
“You see now don’t you? Christians can be radical too, but they dont represent all of Christianity.
It is a fringe group. Most Christians are moderate and tolerant.
CJ NOTE - Tolerant 'christians' are NOT CHRISTIANS!  Read this  -  http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about985.html

A true Christian is willing to die for his faith, while a radial Muslim wants to kill for his.
The actions of radical Christians and the actions of radical Muslims bear no resemblance.
And of course the moderate christians always jump into the media trap. They fall all over each other to let the world know that lunatic Pastor Terry Jones does not represent their Christianity.

But that is the heart of the problem - their christianity. Too many have remade God in their image.
Sadly, there are many different versions of Christianity in the world today, and each one claims to speak for God, most a figment of their imagination of Jesus.

Let me ask you a troubling question that perhaps you haven’t had the courage to ask yourself.
What if God really did tell Pastor Jones to burn the Quran? (Pardon me while I borrow a question from the leftists) “Who are you to judge Pastor Jones?” Hmm?

Certainly you can see that all of this media manipulation is an attempt to herd the sheep towards the gospel of John Lennon.
Imagine there’s no heaven. It’s easy if you try. No Hell below us. Above us only sky. Imagine all the people, living life in peace. You may say that I am a dreamer. But I’m not the only one. I hope some day you will join us. And the world can live as one.

As I listened to a moderate christian talk show host this morning speak for christianity I couldn’t help but ask myself a piecing question.
Does Jesus respect and tolerate other religions?
This Methodist informed his listeners that a follower of Jesus would never show such disrespect to another person’s religion.
I couldn’t help but wonder what he thought Jesus had died for.  Did Jesus die to merely share the platform with the other religious headliners?
Are His followers supposed to put Muhammad, Buddha and the boys on equal footing with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
Does Jesus respect Islam? Would a follower of Jesus every burn a book?  
The talk-show host said no. Most christians say no.

Ever wonder what the Bible says?  Randall Terry recently wrote:
Throughout the Old and New Testaments, fire is a sign of the judgment of God. Fire came down on Sodom and Gomorrah; Moses burned the golden calf; Joshua burned cities in Canaan; God ordered enemy chariots and “sacred” pagan idols to be burned in fire; Elijah called fire down to consume military men who came to capture him; when Israel forsook God, God brought the Babylonians to burn Jerusalem – including its palaces and Solomon’s temple – to the ground.

Christ said, “Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Matthew 3:10
I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled!   Luke 12:49

In Acts 19, Paul orchestrated the burning of books on witchcraft which “mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.”
I guess, as followers of Jesus, the issue we are going to have to come to grips with is whether or not Jesus was who He said He was.
If the Bible is true, then Islam is a lie. If the Bible is true, Darwin was a fool. If the Bible is true, there are no other “holy” books. If the Bible is true.

Would you object to the burning of the Satanic Bible, or are Christians supposed to “respect” and “tolerate” it as well?
Which book has led more people to hell, the Satanic Bible or the Quran?  THE QURAN!
Would Jesus respect the Satanic Bible?  Does Jesus respect the Quran?   NO!

Secularism has crept into our churches. Most christians judge behavior by secular standards.
Standing up for Jesus in the public square has become intolerant and certainly no good christian would want to violate that most important of all secular-commandments.
WWJT…What Would Jesus Tolerate…that is the question Christians should be asking ourselves.
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 20
No other gods…I guess there are other gods beside Jesus…and He made His position on them very clear.

Here is the point. If religion is merely to be used as a set of values by which we live our lives, then I suppose it doesn’t matter which one you choose.
But if heaven and hell are real, and there really is life beyond this world, then “religion” takes on a whole new perspective. C
hristianity is not a popularity contest and it is certainly more than a life-enhancing philosophy.

If the Bible is true, then all other roads lead to hell.  Christianity has a cross at one end and an empty tomb at the other.
Jesus was very intolerant…I AM THE WAY…NO OTHER GODS.
Would Jesus burn a Quran?  He does promise to burn souls.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev. 20.

I think it is time Christians stopped worrying so much about being nice and started being honest.
Does Jesus respect Islam or is He jealous? It would behoove us to know the correct answer.
Do you think like a Christian or a humanist? Did the Founders really separate Church and State?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave208.htm



RESPONSE from mayito7777

My point of view on this issue

The Bible says:

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

The Koran calls for the death of Jews and Christians, curses them and hates them and promotes this hatred towards us who believe in the true God.

The Bible says:
1Cr 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Anathema coming from Strong's G331 - anathema

2) a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and if an animal, to be slain; therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction

a) a curse
b) a man accursed, devoted to the direst of woes

The Lord hates the cursed things, orders to destroy them. Is the Koran a cursed thing? Of course it is, it teaches murder, hate, antisemitism, denies that Christ is the Son of God.

So in my modest opinion all those so called "christians" who have raised their voices to oppose the burning of the Koran because is a holy book are partakers of anathema, of cursed thing that was cursed by God. The Koran is a book of evil against israel, shall we join the bandwagon of those who hate the truth? God forbids. We shall stand even iif our numbers dwindled. We are here to serve Jesus Christ and Him alone. Anyone else who preaches the wrong gospel is becoming an accursed thing.

The Bible says

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The Koran is the accursed thing and the Bible says
Jos 7:15 And it shall be, [that] he that is taken with the accursed thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath: because he hath transgressed the covenant of the LORD, and because he hath wrought folly in Israel.


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Are Mormons Christians?
The New York Times published a curious opinion piece by a devout Mormon who insists that he is not a “Christian.”
I’m about as genuine a Mormon as you’ll find — a templegoer with a Utah pedigree and an administrative position in a congregation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I am also emphatically not a Christian.

He equivocates on what he means by “Christian.” Sometimes he seems to refer to a set of historical and theological beliefs (he agrees with Richard Land that Mormonism is “a fourth Abrahamic religion, along with Judaism, Christianity and Islam”); other times to a culture of power and acceptance and behavior (“Being a Christian so often involves such boorish and meanspirited behavior that I marvel that any of my Mormon colleagues are so eager to join the fold”), and he also uses it in verbal form positively (“Mormons are certainly Christian enough to know how to spitefully abuse their power”).

One might think that a Mormon offering a strong defense of dissimilarity from historic Christianity would insist that theology matters. But that’s the opposite of this writer’s approach.

For the curious, the dispute can be reduced to Jesus. Mormons assert that because they believe Jesus is divine, they are Christians by default. Christians respond that because Mormons don’t believe — in accordance with the Nicene Creed promulgated in the fourth century — that Jesus is also the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Jesus that Mormons have in mind is someone else altogether. The Mormon reaction is incredulity. The Christian retort is exasperation. Rinse and repeat.

I am confident that I am not the only person — Mormon or Christian — who has had enough of the acrimonious niggling from both sides over the nature of the trinity, the authority of the creeds, the significance of grace and works, the union of Christ’s divinity and humanity, and the real color of God’s underwear.

Regarding the statement I’ve italicized: I understand that (1) this is an opinion piece, (2) that most Mormons don’t understand the Trinity, and (3) that many evangelicals—to use Robert Letham’s indictment—are “functional modalists”—but one would still think that the Paper of Record would flag a historical error this significant. The pro-Nicene theology emerging from the fourth century most certainly did not say that Jesus is the Father and the Spirit. That is a heretical belief.

For those who would be helped by a review of some of the key differences between Mormonism (or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) and historic Christianity, I once constructed a Q&A format from the ESV Study Bible article on religious cults and sects (article available online to subscribers). It’s an attempt to be concise and accurate without being overly simplistic.

What do Mormons believe about apostasy and restoration?
Mormons claim that “total” apostasy overcame the church following apostolic times, and that the Mormon Church (founded in 1830) is the “restored church.”

What’s the problem with this understanding?
If the Mormon Church were truly a “restored church,” one would expect to find first-century historical evidence for Mormon doctrines like the plurality of gods and God the Father having once been a man. Such evidence is completely lacking. Besides, the Bible disallows a total apostasy of the church (e.g., Matt. 16:18; 28:20; Eph. 3:21; 4:11-16), warning instead of partial apostasy (1 Tim. 4:1).


What do Mormons believe about God?
Mormons claim that God the Father was once a man and that he then progressed to godhood (that is, he is a now-exalted, immortal man with a flesh-and-bone body).

What does the Bible teach about the nature of God?
Based on the Bible, God is not and has never been a man (Num. 23:19; Hos. 11:9). He is a spirit (John 4:24), and a spirit does not have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). Furthermore, God is eternal (Ps. 90:2; 102:27; Isa. 57:15; 1 Tim. 1:17) and immutable (or unchangeable in his being and perfections; see Ps. 102:25-27; Mal. 3:6). He did not “progress” toward godhood, but has always been God.


What do Mormons believe about the Trinity and polytheism?
Mormons believe that the Trinity consists not of three persons in one God but rather of three distinct gods. According to Mormonism, there are potentially many thousands of gods besides these.

What does the Bible teach about the Triune God?
Trusting in or worshiping more than one god is explicitly condemned throughout the Bible (e.g., Ex. 20:3). There is only one true God (Deut. 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isa. 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:18; 46:9; 1 Cor. 8:4; James 2:19), who exists eternally in three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14).


What do Mormons believe about human exaltation?
Mormons believe that humans, like God the Father, can go through a process of exaltation to godhood.

What does the Bible teach about humanity?
The Bible teaches that the yearning to be godlike led to the fall of mankind (Gen. 3:4ff.). God does not look kindly on humans who pretend to attain to deity (Acts 12:21-23; contrast Acts 14:11-15). God desires humans to humbly recognize that they are his creatures (Gen. 2:7; 5:2; Ps. 95:6-7; 100:3). The state of the redeemed in eternity will be one of glorious immortality, but they will forever remain God’s creatures, adopted as his children (Rom. 8:14-30; 1 Cor. 15:42-57; Rev. 21:3-7). Believers will never become gods.


What do Mormons believe about Jesus?
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was the firstborn spirit-child of the heavenly Father and a heavenly Mother. Jesus then progressed to deity in the spirit world. He was later physically conceived in Mary’s womb, as the literal “only begotten” Son of God the Father in the flesh (though many present-day Mormons remain somewhat vague as to how this occurred).

What does the Bible teach about Jesus?
Biblically, the description of Jesus as the “only begotten” refers to his being the Father’s unique, one-of-a-kind Son for all eternity, with the same divine nature as the Father (see note on John 1:14; cf. John 1:18; 3:16, 18; see also John 5:18; 10:30). Moreover, he is eternal deity (John 1:1; 8:5Cool and is immutable (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:Cool, meaning he did not progress to deity but has always been God. And Mary’s conception of Jesus in his humanity was through a miracle of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:20).


What do Mormons believe about our eternal destiny?
Mormons believe that most people will end up in one of three kingdoms of glory, depending on one’s level of faithfulness. Belief in Christ, or even in God, is not necessary to obtain immortality in one of these three kingdoms, and therefore only the most spiritually perverse will go to hell.

What does the Bible teach about our eternal destiny ?
The Bible teaches that people have just two possibilities for their eternal futures: the saved will enjoy eternal life with God in the new heavens and new earth (Phil. 3:20; Rev. 21:1-4; 22:1-5), while the unsaved will spend eternity in hell (Matt. 25:41, 46; Rev. 20:13-15).


What do Mormons believe about sin and atonement?
Mormons believe that Adam’s transgression was a noble act that made it possible for humans to become mortal, a necessary step on the path to exaltation to godhood. They think that Christ’s atonement secures immortality for virtually all people, whether they repent and believe or not.

What does the Bible teach about sin and atonement?
Biblically, there was nothing noble about Adam’s sin, which was not a stepping-stone to godhood but rather brought nothing but sin, misery, and death to mankind (Gen. 3:16-19; Rom. 5:12-14). Jesus atoned for the sins of all who would trust him for salvation (Isa. 53:6; John 1:29; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 2:2; 4:10).


What do Mormons believe about salvation?
Mormons believe that God gives to (virtually) everyone a general salvation to immortal life in one of the heavenly kingdoms, which is how they understand salvation by grace. Belief in Christ is necessary only to obtain passage to the highest, celestial kingdom—for which not only faith but participation in Mormon temple rituals and obedience to its “laws of the gospel” are also prerequisites.

What does the Bible teach about salvation?
Biblically, salvation by grace must be received through faith in Christ (John 3:15-16; 11:25; 12:46; Acts 16:31; Rom. 3:22-24; Eph. 2:8-9), and all true believers are promised eternal life in God’s presence (Matt. 5:3-8; John 14:1-3; Rev. 21:3-7).
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