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For the sake of clarity, Paul's Letter to the Corinthians dealt with abhorant behavior by the believers of that Church. In his epistle, he lists a number of sins that the Corinthians were guilty of.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 reads:
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither
- the sexually immoral - nor idolaters - nor adulterers - nor male prostitutes - nor homosexual offenders, - nor thieves - nor the greedy - nor drunkards - nor slanderers - nor swindlers
will inherit the kingdom of God."
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The Man Comes Around
There's a Man goin round takin names, Johnny Cash
August 31, 2013
Christopher is the owner of christianchat on iPocalypse.net
The channel owner is fine with personal attacks and insults on the Christians.
However, he is NOT fine with Christian posting the truth and the facts
Telling LIES is not love, and telling the facts is not hate.
Here is a log - I took out hello and goodbye just left the relevant log. At a couple points I INSERTED a comment
I am not bad mouthing anyone - I just want people to know what the owner approves and what he does not.
Another mature christian is banned for 2 weeks.
Ray is a Sunni Muslim
[09:10] * Ray (eesllnupma@6E0F14F7.92042F37.162B2259.IP) has joined #christianchat
[09:11] <Ray> Hi all
[09:11] <Ray> I'm not Christian but I'd like to learn about your religion. Can someon please teach me?
[09:11] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: glad your here man
[09:11] <RemnantGlory> Ray begin to read the BIBLE, first carefully read the gospel of John.........and continue from there
[09:12] <RemnantGlory> we can lead you if you have FAITH to salvation, but a chatroom cannot teach/disciple a new believer
[09:12] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: start with the core. Love God and Love our neighbor in that order. This is above all else.
[09:12] <Ray> I respect all religion. I'm a Muslim and I have Christian friends but none of them know anything about their religion Not many people know where I live, that's in London by the way
[09:13] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: a selaam aleykum brother
[09:13] <Ray> wailaikum asalam brother
[09:13] <Shepherd> Muslims have been coming to Jesus the Son of God for Salvation - its wonderful
[09:14] <Shepherd> Yeshua / Jesus / Esa died for Muslims too - for all humans - so we can be in heaven - not in hell forever
[09:14] <RemnantGlory> well Ray, you are welcome to learn, Muslims are coming to Jesus faster than any other group in the world now...............
[09:14] <RemnantGlory> amen shepherd
[09:14] <Ray> I love Jesus too but only as son of Marry and as a Prophet. Jesus is also a prophet in Islam
[09:14] <sassylassie> Jesus Christ is the son of the one and true and living GOD, there is only one God and that is the God of the bible, you need to read a bible
[09:14] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: God is love and we share in that perfect love.
[09:15] <RemnantGlory> sorry ray.... all that will get you is to eternal damnation.. doesn't matter what you BELIEVE , only what is TRUTH.........
[09:15] <Shepherd> Yeshua Jesus was born of a Jewish mother - yes, Maryam was a Jew - Islam honors Jesus - but hates Jews - so you have much conflict there
[09:15] <RemnantGlory> amen sassy
[09:15] <Ray> Can someon please explain the holly trinity?? Thank you guys PEACE X
[09:15] <christianguy> ray we cant fully explain the Trinity
[09:15] <RemnantGlory> we can explain the trinity Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but you will not understand ray
[09:15] <RemnantGlory> once Jesus is Lord of your life RAY, then you will begin to understand
[09:16] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: Jesus spoke of Himself and made it clear He is God. We are saved by following and believing Jesus is God. We know this. Jesus rose from the dead. As He said: John 10:30 “I and the Father are one." John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
[09:16] <Shepherd> ONLY ONE WAY - JESUS - There is Salvation in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. Acts 4:12
[09:16] <RemnantGlory> amen Shepherd...........there is no other way to heaven to relationship with G-d then through the b lood of JESUS
[09:17] <RemnantGlory> shed for your sins ray
[09:17] <Ray> Thanks Tekton_Jon
[09:18] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: as with any group you will see some unique perspectives but as RemnantGlory just said we receive understanding through our faith.
[09:18] <Ray> Is there any practising Christian in London who would be kindly to teach me about your faith please?
[09:18] <RemnantGlory> ray, find a bible believing church where you live, and go t here
[09:18] <RemnantGlory> you will then learn of HIM and personal relationship with JESUS CHRIST
[09:18] <Shepherd> Messiah Jesus Christ said, I AM the Way the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6
[09:18] <weliveforthelord> Amen RemanantGlory Best Advice!
[09:19] <Ray> What's the difference between Catholic and Christianity?
[09:19] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: catholic is mans doctrine
[09:19] <RemnantGlory> one is real, the other is not ray
[09:19] <sassylassie> you are jumping from one thing to the next ray
INSERT BY ME - THAT IS A TACTIC
[09:21] <RemnantGlory> ray we aren't your brothers or sisters if you are muslim, don't be fooled
[09:22] <Ray> RemnantGlory, do christians call each other brothers and sisters like Muslims do?
[09:24] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: i call everyone brother and sister because i love everyone.
[09:24] <Shepherd> I dont lie to make others feel good
[09:24] <RemnantGlory> aaaaaaaaamen shepherd
[09:25] <Ray> I'm not here to convert as I am a firm believer of Allah as a Muslim. But I respect all religion and I would like to learn about Christianity and Judaism since they are the people of the book in Islam. Peace x
[09:25] <Shepherd> the allah of islam is satan
[09:25] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: Praise God we receive conviction from His Holy Spirit whom Jesus has sent to be our helper.
[09:25] <RemnantGlory> ray , you cannot talk about your 'religion' here at all
[09:25] <RemnantGlory> amen shepherd
[09:26] <Ray> Shepherd, you need to learn and respect other religion. firstlym the word Allah means 'God'
[09:26] <RemnantGlory> NEVER ray,NEVER
[09:26] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: I gotta say your honesty and openness is appreciated.
[09:26] <Shepherd> ray I chose my words very carefully and my statement is correct
INSERT BY ME - Muslims worship Satan 5 times a day. They call satan allah, which is their word for God, however, they do not worship the true GOD.
[09:26] <RemnantGlory> it is HIS desire that ALL should come to Salvation and NONE should come short of the glory of God. this is NOT an argument
[09:26] <sassylassie> you know that you are folling a false religion
[09:27] <jdu_4510> Amen RemnantGlory
[09:27] <weliveforthelord> Ray Jesus Is The Son of the Living God! he Took our Punishment! He Is The Only One!!!
[09:27] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: brother as you know there are some that embrace hate and division but that is not of Christianity but ones foolish pride. You will know those that serve God by their fruit.
[09:28] <sassylassie> telling you the truth ray is why we care and will be honest with you
[09:28] <Ray> Shepherd, you're entitle to believe or not to belive. But desrespecting my belief makes you in the worng. Show a bit of respect to others please. Thank you.
[09:28] <sassylassie> not just pretending you are okay, your very soul is at stake
[09:28] <Shepherd> I am right. and I know it
[09:28] <sassylassie> Shepherd: you are totally right
[09:28] <Tekton_Jon> Ray: you can block people by right clicking a name on the right and selecting ignore.
INSERT BY ME - Jon just told Ray to block the TRUTH - and the op did nothing
[09:29] <weliveforthelord> Ray We Have Respect But we Also Have Knowledge Of Jesus Christ Our Lord! you can too
[09:29] <RemnantGlory> no ray, we will not, sorry
[09:29] <RemnantGlory> amen we live
[09:29] <Shepherd> Jon you need to stop trying to prevent the truth from reaching people. shame on you
[09:29] <RemnantGlory> amen shepherd..........it's very sad
[09:30] <Shepherd> speaking the truth may be called hate - but its not hate. people need to learn this
[09:30] <RemnantGlory> not going to argue with you period ray, but am going to pray for your salvation
[09:30] <Ray> you pray for my by desprescting me first? lol
[09:31] <Shepherd> Ray, to make it clear you are heading for hellfire forever with no hope of escape is not hatet
[09:31] <Shepherd> telling you to ignore the truth is hate
[09:31] <Ray> wow... how am i heading to the fire?
[09:31] <RemnantGlory> yes amen shepherd...........of course
[09:32] <Ray> Did Jesus die for everyone's sins? If he did then I go to heaven
[09:33] <fireflies> Ray: there is one sin that is not forgiven. you must accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour to be saved
[09:33] <weliveforthelord> Ray not if you have not asked His forgiveness
[09:33] <weliveforthelord> Amen fireflies!
[09:33] <jdu_4510> got to have Jesus,,doesn't matter your background or other beliefs,, that's just the facts
09:33] <Ray> Tekton, I am. I no not ALL Christian are filled with hate or with bad manners like shehpered and others
[09:34] <~Christopher> To share the gospel, we do not need to attack another, but show the love that Jesus has shown us.
INSERT BY ME - Ray insulted me personally without being rebuked by the channel owner
[09:35] <sassylassie> hey Ray just becuase we are telling you what you need to hear is loving in itself. who are out brother's jon?
[09:35] <sassylassie> you came here asking so we are telling
[09:35] <Shepherd> Islam is evil and darkness. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness. Isaiah 5:20
[09:35] <RemnantGlory> sadly yes shepherd......
[09:35] <Ray> there are good and evil in all religion.. but it's not the religion. It's the satan that makes people do evil
[09:35] <sassylassie> your very life is in grave danger of going to hell. those that are christian's and not all are christian's
INSERT BY ME - Another subject change - its a TACTIC - he is preaching islam under cover
Watch how often he does it
[09:35] <Ray> remember what happend to adam and eve?
[09:36] <Wandering> sadly yes, Ray... the whole world is under the influence of that incident in the garden
[09:36] <Ray> 100% agree with Wandering
[09:36] <RemnantGlory> time is short, every soul is of vital importance to G-d and Jesus is the ONLY way to eternity with HIM
[09:37] <RemnantGlory> salvation in the blood of Jesus
[09:38] <Ray> How do Christians/Catholics/Protastant pray?
[09:38] <Shepherd> truth is love - love is truth - lies are never love
[09:39] <weliveforthelord> The Lord Speaks So Much Truth! Seek Him and We Will Find All Truth!
[09:39] <Ray> what does bible say about Jesus's return and why is he reuturning?
[09:39] <weliveforthelord> For His Church Ray!
[09:39] <Wandering> He is returning for two reasons... to save those who belong to Him and give them the reward of eternal life and to judge the wicked
[09:39] <Ray> Shia don't follow the Quran like sunnis do.. they hit themselves and etc
[09:40] <Shepherd> Sunni and Shia hate each other - and the sunni kill shia - the sunni are the terrorists
[09:41] <Ray> Shephered.. you are so ignorant. lol I am a sunni and I am not a terrorist.
09:41] <Ray> Also, I have shia friends and we don't kill each other
[09:42] * Shepherd is not ignorant - and Ray has an agenda to promote a wrong picture of islam
[09:42] <Ray> there are disagreement with shia and sunni just like chrisitans and protastant I believe
[09:42] <Shepherd> why is that allowed?
[09:45] <Ray> Can only good Chritian contact me privately as I would like to learn from you. Bad Christians like Shephered please do not contact me. Thank you.
[09:46] <~Christopher> Ray type !talk
[09:46] <Shepherd> Ray you will only lilke the bad Christians
[09:47] <Ray> Shephered, Jesus was a good man and you certainly don't follow his teaching!
[09:47] <Shepherd> Ray has been personally insulting and attacking me - promoting islam - and not muted. why
[09:48] <~Christopher> Shepherd if you keep going the way you are, I will mute you. There is no need to attack another. How are you going to lead someone to the Lord if you constantly on the attack.
[09:48] <Shepherd> I have not attacked a person. I only posted the facts about islam
[09:48] <Shepherd> ray has attacked me personally
[09:48] * Christopher sets mode: +b ~q:*!*@iDentity-6A075E46.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net
Session Close: Sat Aug 31 09:48:53 2013
This channel is owned and run by a NON-CHRISTIAN!
merit did not identify themself as anyone I have ever talked to
What they said I had already thought before today
I only pulled excerpts out of this log
Many things are starting to add up which confirm what they said
I have also thot his ops are afraid of him. THEY NEED TO QUIT!
I will have 2 more logs when I have time to post them.
See above for a previous log
#SHEP Mon Sep 23 09:47:41 2013
[11:00] * merit (merit@iDentity-CAEDCB61.static.knwc.wa.charter.com) has joined #SHEP
[11:07] <merit> christopher hates because he has no love
[11:10] <merit> there is a pm spy module on this network
[11:11] <merit> yes, the network can spy on other rooms
[11:12] <merit> first thing you probably found out is that the chat room owner of cc is not a real christian but a cult leader
[11:13] <merit> who threatens his mods with bans and removals if they dont do as he says
[11:14] <merit> anachris is a christian
[11:15] <merit> Neeva is male
-[11:19] <merit> it use to be a christian chat. Sadly, when unchristian people get power, they take over and start removing real christians and placing atheists, homosexuals and perverts as mods. anachris and terry were mods before Christopher grabbed power
[11:25] <~Shepherd> merit do you know if Christopher is a pedophile or pervert or muslim?
[11:25] <merit> I was told by some that he was a homosexual at one time
[11:26] * merit (merit@iDentity-CAEDCB61.static.knwc.wa.charter.com) Quit (Quit: ...)
#christianchat 9-23-13 log
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:28 PM
I pulled the chaff out and left an essence of the log
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Allister (Allister@iDentity-80859238.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: )
(Allister doesnt know beans about Christianity)
10:09] <Oath2Honor> did you realize how many illuminati members have infiltrated the Christians Churches?
I will bet that most Christians do not even know who they are and why they are there?
[10:11] <vincent> i was a mason, not anymore
[10:11] <GummyBear> masons are great if u like denying God
[10:11] <sassylassie> so how bad does it get as a mason. it is true they worship the devil?
[10:12] <vincent> they do not preace the word of God, they use the word of god for there oun use
[10:12] <sassylassie> my dad is and brother is but refuse to talk about it
[10:12] <sassylassie> brother told me he was a christian I told him no way
[10:12] <vincent> could be, its not jesus they worship thats for sure, they worship, are you ready for this they worship the penis, sorry
[10:13] <Oath2Honor> vincent, that would be specifically 'Free Masons'
[10:13] <Oath2Honor> Golden Dawn
01[10:14] <Margo> my uncle was a mason and violently hated Jesus Christ .. but I know a 90 y/o veteran in my village who attends a Christian church but is a high level mason, too
[10:14] <vincent> positive is good, but two positives repel each other so we need some negative also
[10:14] <Oath2Honor> Free Masons are the outsiders
01[10:15] <Margo> are there good masons, in keeping with Christianity
[10:15] <Rubijoux> vincent: Christian fellowship is based on the communion of the Holy Spirit, not on electromagnetic fields
[10:15] <vincent> masons are the builder
[10:15] <Oath2Honor> there are Skull and Bones and then there are the Free Mason outsiders
01[10:15] <Margo> are Skull and Bones masons Christian?
[10:16] <Oath2Honor> Margo, they say that they are
[10:16] <vincent> don't forget the crusaders for christians, they were masons too
[10:17] <Oath2Honor> if any of them are Christians, it might be the Scottish Right
10:17] <Margo> masons confuse me .. don't want to go against Christian ones but don't want to associate with the non Christian ones
[10:17] <vincent> and our first government was created by almost all mason, god says to respesct the government and listen to them, in god we trust, not man
[10:17] <Oath2Honor> the Scottish Rite
01[10:17] <Margo> my friend here is Scottish
[10:18] <vincent> scottish rite 32 degree
[10:18] <Oath2Honor> 32nd degree isn't high enough to know anything
01[10:18] <Margo> he showed me through the mason hall here and told me some stuff that sounded innocent but I knew I was not getting their secret stuff of which I wouldl be suspect
[10:18] <Oath2Honor> it must be 33rd or higher
[10:19] <Andrew27> Who cares about the Masons? Is anyone here a mason
[10:19] <vincent> masons do not worship the devil not that i know of, never was discused, i was told anyone who worships the devil is out, gone, not a mason at all
01[10:19] <Margo> I care Andrew27 as I do not wish to go against Christian ones but do not want to associate with non Christian ones
[10:19] <Oath2Honor> the Free Masons of the Golden Dawn do worship satan.
[10:20] <vincent> mason are men who help people be a better person
01[10:20] <Margo> we need to know our enemies in order to avoid them
[10:20] <@still> Margo, we only need to know Jesus to point to Him..
01[10:20] <Margo> so, vincent, masons are good guys but free masons are not?
[10:20] <Oath2Honor> the Golden Dawn helping people to better themselves? lol
[10:20] <vincent> your enemy will most likely be hiding in sheeps clothing, so beware who your true friends are
01[10:21] <Margo> yes vincent
[10:21] <@still> The purpose of the Christian Chat is to provide fellowship and spiritual growth for believers and to serve as a witness to unbelievers who may be seeking to know our Lord.
[10:21] <vincent> trust in god, jesus!
[10:22] <vincent> beware of women too lol not to be funny
[10:22] <GummyBear> hi saved
[10:22] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> hw goes
01[10:22] <Margo> still, Jesus forever warned against the yeast of the Pharisees as they were obstacles to believing Christians so we need to know who are obstacles to us as believing Christians, too
[10:24] <@still> Margo, It doesn't make sense study the forgery to spot the counterfeit, when it's possible to examine the genuine article.
[10:25] <vincent> crying on the way out, i already new what i was in for
[10:25] <Rubijoux> But according to the passage, God even uses the world's abuse of Christian witness as a testimony to the world
[10:25] <Rubijoux> God always has the last word
01[10:26] <Margo> we are warned, still, to beware of false prophets and false teachers in the latter days and to test the spirits and judge by fruits so that entails getting to know enemies while getting to know Jesus, too
[10:26] <vincent> would be the devil for sure
[10:26] <@still> I disagree Margo, the Holy Spirit has never led me to study anything but the truth.
[10:26] <Oath2Honor> the question that I have would be, how many members of the wiccan covens, who are working for the Golden Dawn, are hidden within the Christian Churches right now?
[10:27] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> golden dawn what is that
[10:27] <Rubijoux> still: I think one could say that when witnessing, it is good to understand the frame of reference of the one witnessed to, so that we can contextualize the message
01[10:27] <Margo> well, still, how do you distinguish between the truth and falseness if you do not test the falseness and its fruits as it is not obvious .. it wil be subtle and very deceiving
[10:27] <@still> the purpose of this room isn't to discuss the counterfeits, but to teach the truth about Jesus.
[10:27] <ItsTheBigShow> Oath2Honour,the question is how many practise pagan Christainty in the Church?
01[10:28] <Margo> and how do you warn others, still, of the enemy if you have not discovered him/her yourself
[10:28] <@still> the Bible is clear and offers the truth Margo
[10:28] <Rubijoux> Margo: I agree with still in that it is most important to study the genuine article; the counterfeit is recognized for failing to meet the standard
[10:29] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> many false converts in the church they rely on thw laws altar calls but never gave thier heart ti Jeus or reoented
[10:29] <ItsTheBigShow> Yes alot what is of Christainity is Pagan in Nature and is far away from the real Teaching of Christ
[10:29] <@still> This is why it's important to know the Bible ItsTheBigShow
JW [10:30] <ItsTheBigShow> I love Kingdom Teaching. Amen
[10:30] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> gbu Rubijoux
01[10:30] <Margo> well, that is okay Rubijoux and still but we are to know thine enemy and test spirits and teachings so I don't see how we can do that without becoming aware of such for ourselves and for helping others .. so I shall agree to disagree
[10:30] <vincent> christ is in you, not in a building, but fellowship is a good thing, to gather in jesus name is good
[10:30] <frev> guess I don't understand how nature is "christianity"
[10:30] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> it i love the gosple god news is the best
[10:31] <vincent> where there are two who beleive in me you will find me there
01[10:31] <Margo> yes vincent but the fellowship does not have to be with many .. Christ is here with two or more gathered in his name and that is Church
[10:31] <Rubijoux> Margo: We do need to be sober, but it's the Holy Spirit who enables us to test the spirits. But anyway, I agree with some of your position, and also with still. lol
[10:31] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> we can tell by thier fruits
[10:31] <@still> it's very easy to test a spirit Margo,
[10:31] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> how do they test i can feel a bad spirit amongst me
[10:31] <ItsTheBigShow> Still doesnt it say,that testing the spirits is a gift and not all can do it?
[10:32] <Rubijoux> ItsTheBigShow: John is speaking to all believers in that verse as i understand it
[10:32] <@still> no ItsTheBigShow, John says plainly Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God
[10:32] <ItsTheBigShow> Even the Elect can be decieved
[10:32] <vincent> that is why satan the devil will alway try to attack a single person alone who might be not to strong by them selves, thats why we need to join to gether in jesus name
[10:32] <Oath2Honor> vincent and Margo, God had much to say about this
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[10:33] <@still> ≡ 1Jo 4:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
[10:33] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> ost religons dont confes about Jesus coming in the flesh
01[10:33] <Margo> yes, still, and that does show agreement to what you say and what I say .. I am saying we need to check people out for our own sake and so we can help others avoid enemies and that entails getting to know the enemy and measuring him/her with Christian standards
[10:33] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> slam jerhovah witnessess dont and the mormons doont buuds doesnt
01[10:33] <Margo> we are not just to help ourselves but to help others
[10:34] <@still> I disagree Margo, one questions settles the issue. it's much more important to know the truth and offer it than to be familiar with lies.
[10:34] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> the made look good no the outside and try and do the right things but r they in the insdie
[10:34] <vincent> jesus is here, you have to find him in your heart, soul
[10:34] <vincent> he was always here, just seek and you will find him, i have
01[10:34] <Margo> SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD just gave a good example .. JWs do not believe Jesus is God so people need to realise they are not true Christians and those of us who know that need to tell them
[10:35] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> neither do the mormons andmuslims
[10:35] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible Corinthians 12:4-6
01[10:35] <Margo> I know Muslims dont SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD .. am not fully sure about Mormons so I need to check it out
[10:35] <@still> what ends up happening when a person wants to discuss in depth a counterfeit belief is they use this room as a platform to promote the belief, instead of teaching the truth about Jesus as it is intended to do, Margo.
[10:35] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible 1 Corinthians 12:4-6
[10:36] <@Alfred> (ESV) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.
[10:36] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> the mormons thinhk they will be a god ne day the have the book of mormons
[10:36] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible 1 Corinthians 12:4-6
[10:36] <@Alfred> (ESV) 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.
01[10:36] <Margo> pointing out false teaching and false doctrine is not promoting it but denouncing it
[10:36] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 12: 21-22
[10:36] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible 1 Corinthians 12:6-8
[10:36] <@Alfred> (ESV) 1 Corinthians 12:6-8 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
[10:36] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 12:21-22
[10:37] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 12:21-22 (New King James Version)
[10:37] <~Christopher> 21 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 22 “Son of man, what is this proverb that you people have about the land of Israel, which says, ‘The days are prolonged, and every vision fails’?
[10:37] <frev> Islam is in the spirit of the anti-christ
[10:37] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible 1 Corinthians 12:8-10
[10:37] <@Alfred> (I Corinthians 10:13) 13 No temptation has taken you except what is common to man. God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
[10:37] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 12:23-25
[10:37] <@still> very true Margo, some issues only cause argument and division There’s a fine line, though, between being someone who questions and someone who refuses to believe any answers—a true skeptic. so we offer the truth and then move on..
[10:37] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 12:23-25 (New King James Version)
01[10:37] <Margo> yes, frev, but through Chrislam, many Christians are being mislead about Islam
[10:37] <~Christopher> 23 Tell them therefore, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will lay this proverb to rest, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel.” But say to them, “The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision. 24 For no more shall there be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. 25 For I am the LORD. I speak, and
[10:37] <~Christopher> the word which I speak will come to pass; it will no more be postponed; for in your days, O rebellious house, I will say the word and perform it,” says the Lord GOD.’”
[10:38] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 12:26-28
[10:38] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 12:26-28 (New King James Version)
[10:38] <~Christopher> 26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27 “Son of man, look, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many days from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ 28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “None of My words will be postponed any more, but the word which I speak will be done,” says the Lord
[10:39] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 12:27 amp
[10:39] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 12:27 (Amplified Bible)
[10:39] <~Christopher> 27Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that [Ezekiel] sees is for many days to come, and he prophesies of the times that are far off.
[10:39] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> they took God out of the homes schools and government
[10:39] <ItsTheBigShow> still it says in 1 Cors 12:8-10 that he gives utteranances to certain people like for example distinguish between spirits???
01[10:39] <Margo> yes, still, and that is what is happening here .. some who have knowledge of false doctrine/beliefs by Free Masons, JWs, Mormons, Muslims are offering it to all to examine for themselves and then moving on .. so that is good, eh? .. lol
[10:39] <ItsTheBigShow> So not all of us can test the spirits?
[10:39] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:1-3
[10:39] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:1-3 (New King James Version)
[10:39] <~Christopher> Woe to Foolish Prophets 1 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the LORD!’” 3 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
[10:40] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> i cant find the gift of testig pirits to a certin group
[10:40] <ItsTheBigShow> !bible 1 Corinthians 12:8-10
[10:40] <@Alfred> (ESV) 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
[10:40] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> but we have the Holy Spirt to test the spiirits right
[10:40] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:4-6
[10:40] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:4-6 (New King James Version)
[10:40] <~Christopher> 4 O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. 5 You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the LORD. 6 They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD!’ But the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed.
[10:40] <@still> ItsTheBigShow John tells everyone how to know if a spirit is of God or not, no gift required to ask a simple question.
01[10:41] <Margo> yes SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD .. the Holy Spirit will test the spirits for us
[10:41] <@still> 1Jo 4:1-3
[10:41] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:7-9
[10:41] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:7-9 (New King James Version)
[10:41] <~Christopher> 7 Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The LORD says,’ but I have not spoken.” 8 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord GOD. 9 “My hand will be against the prophets who envision futility and who
[10:41] <~Christopher> divine lies; they shall not be in the assembly of My people, nor be written in the record of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
[10:41] <Allister> testing - best done by comparison - i.e. know the truth - that's my two cents
[10:42] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:10-12
[10:42] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:10-12 (New King James Version)
[10:42] <~Christopher> 10 “Because, indeed, because they have seduced My people, saying, ‘Peace!’ when there is no peace—and one builds a wall, and they plaster it with untempered mortar— 11 say to those who plaster it with untempered mortar, that it will fall. There will be flooding rain, and you, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall tear it down. 12
[10:42] <~Christopher> Surely, when the wall has fallen, will it not be said to you, ‘Where is the mortar with which you plastered it?’”
[10:42] <@still> ItsTheBigShow some people are gifted to know the difference without asking that questions.
01[10:42] <Margo> we all get gifts ItsTheBigShow but certain ones are given to certain ones who can use them best and others are given to others
[10:42] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> we have the discernmewn to test the spirits for lying false doctrines
[10:43] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:13-14
[10:43] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:13-14 (New King James Version)
[10:43] <~Christopher> 13 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “I will cause a stormy wind to break forth in My fury; and there shall be a flooding rain in My anger, and great hailstones in fury to consume it. 14 So I will break down the wall you have plastered with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that its foundation will be uncovered; it will fall, and you shall
[10:43] <~Christopher> be consumed in the midst of it. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.
[10:44] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:15-16
[10:44] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:15-16 (New King James Version)
[10:44] <~Christopher> 15 “Thus will I accomplish My wrath on the wall and on those who have plastered it with untempered mortar; and I will say to you, ‘The wall is no more, nor those who plastered it, 16 that is, the prophets of Israel who prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and who see visions of peace for her when there is no peace,’” says the Lord GOD.
01[10:44] <Margo> the Holy Spirit gives us discernment SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD and works in us and through us
01[10:44] <Margo> we must always be open to Him to do his work in and through us
[10:45] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:17-19
[10:45] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:17-19 (New King James Version)
[10:45] <~Christopher> 17 “Likewise, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people, who prophesy out of their own heart; prophesy against them, 18 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Woe to the women who sew magic charms on their sleeves[a] and make veils for the heads of people of every height to hunt souls! Will you hunt the souls of My people, and keep
[10:45] <~Christopher> yourselves alive? 19 And will you profane Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, killing people who should not die, and keeping people alive who should not live, by your lying to My people who listen to lies?”
[10:45] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> !bible 1 cor 12:8-10
[10:45] <@Alfred> (ESV) 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
[10:46] <ItsTheBigShow> The Gifts of the Spirit belongs to the Five fold Ministry. Amen!\
[10:46] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> distinguish between spirits
01[10:46] <Margo> we all are tested by spirits of false doctrine/teaching and we must all test the spirits by allowing the Holy Spirit to work in and through us to help us
[10:46] <SAVEDBYTHEBLOOD> the what fold ministry
[10:46] <Oath2Honor> ~bible Ezekiel 13:20-21
[10:46] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:20-21 (New King James Version)
[10:46] <~Christopher> 20 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I am against your magic charms by which you hunt souls there like birds. I will tear them from your arms, and let the souls go, the souls you hunt like birds. 21 I will also tear off your veils and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall no longer be as prey in your hand. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.
[10:47] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:22-23 (New King James Version)
[10:47] <~Christopher> 22 “Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life. 23 Therefore you shall no longer envision futility nor practice divination; for I will deliver My people out of your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.”
[10:47] <@still> ≡ Jhn 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[10:48] <~Christopher> Ezekiel 13:22 (Amplified Bible)
[10:48] <~Christopher> 22Because with lies you have made the righteous sad and disheartened, whom I have not made sad or disheartened, and because you have encouraged and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way and be saved [in that you falsely promised him life],
[10:49] <u_1609> im a moslem girl and i know many of you will hate me becouse of that but bleave me please im not terrorist and i hate them i love all the people all around the world and respect them i never lie and my greatest love in the world is god and i like chris very much
[10:57] <Iuser> Zoar stop bashing the catholic church
[10:58] <Oath2Honor> u-1609, it is very well known now that the CIA are paying Al Qaeda…and the illuminati are paying the top rated professors at the top rated liberal arts universities…the money trail does not lie.
[11:07] <Oath2Honor> and those copies of those cashed checks are not faked…the Egyptian Military confiscated Morsi's files and they are holding them in their hands right now.
[11:09] <MrsSplash> They accused him of blasphemy because he claimed to be God that is why he was crucified ... you cannot believe he is a good prophet because he either was a liar or he is God
[11:09] <Mechanicos> hey ops, can you guys deal with the outside discussions please
[11:10] <Sovereign> u_1609 well of course you know that the belief of Christians about Jesus is totally different from your belief. Jesus is our God.
[11:10] <Mechanicos> they are turning the channel into a political channel
[11:10] <Oath2Honor> Jesus recieves guidance from no man
[11:10] <Sovereign> u_1609 but I think that you are free to worship your God Allah is peace just as I worship my God Jesus.
[11:11] <Mechanicos> u_1609: this is not a Muslim channel take it someplace else
[11:11] <Oath2Honor> u_1609, you can worship whomever you please, that does not mean that it is OK with God….the Creator of the Universe and all things.
[11:12] <Mechanicos> nina: I have to follow the rules and keep politicas and arguments out so should others who came here for reasons other then to glorify God and learn and discuss scripture
[11:15] <Oath2Honor> u_1609, and you can worship whomever you please, but that does not mean that I will worship them along with you. I do not bow to and worship meteorites in a box of any kind, nor to any graven image.
[11:17] <MrsSplash> just keep talkinga bout Jesus and don't let the room get filled with false doctrine> keep the name of Jesus out there
[11:17] <Oath2Honor> All paths do not lead to God…and when I say God…I mean our Father YHVH who created the universe (heavens) and all things. Ha Shem Shema!
[11:21] <Oath2Honor> mh, I hope that she is not under the new regulations of obamacare and the death panels….they will refuse to give her an IV of any kind….or even a drink of water.
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#christianchat 9-25-13 log from margo to me
Christopher> Margo if you do not change your attidude in here, you will be removed from this chat room.
23:22] <Margo> Christopher, I am sick of your room and its holier than thou people .. not all but many.. Jesus would not treat people as you allow some to do here with their false piety but lack of really telling the truth an in withholding truth , withholding love .. I am more than willing to spend timeand energy on those in real need but I refuse to play games with thsoe who come to play games .. and Christopher, you banned Shepherd for saying what you really are .. you ARE NOT CHRISTIAN and nor are many in here and I am sickk of trying to stay within youur non christian parameters .. for those of you who are TRUE CHRISTIANS, get out of this room of false teaching and false love .. goodbye all ... needless to say I shall be banned permanently for telling the truth .. but I am happy to go .. happy happy happy .. and, again, Christopher you really are of the devil and i have known that for a very long time .. bye
06[23:22] * Margo waits
[23:22] <~Christopher> bye Margo
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03[23:22] * You were kicked by Christopher
ZionsCRY NEWS and Commentary
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