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   WOLF Rick Warren
preachs a FALSE 'social gospel' = COMMUNISM

Purpose Driven Rick Warren, NWO WOLF
Sacrosanct pastors and their defiled religion
April  20,  2012   Bill Wilson

A few years ago, I wrote about Purpose Driven Life pastor Rick Warren’s trip to Syria and how he was used by the anti-Christian Islamist Bashar Asaad to give people the false impression that Christianity is accepted and protected in Syria. He wrote me a personal email taking me to task for the critique and asked, “I wonder how many people you have led to the Lord?” in closing. Warren has since embraced working with Islam on issues of common ground. He appears to have embraced “Dominionist” theology that man must establish the Kingdom of God on earth before the Messiah can return, and if he doesn’t return, man will rule with the Messiah living in him, essentially being the “Christ” replacement.

I have received many emails lately about pastors who dictate to their congregations what they will or will not do. Many have suggested that these pastors are setting up their own little “kingdoms” as modeled after larger, successful churches such as Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church, Bill Hybels Willow Creek, Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church, and many others. The questions from readers concern whether their pastors are behaving Biblically by flexing such a strong arm in their modeling of these mega-churches. In answering this question, there are essentially two benchmarks that I can suggest: First, is the pastor following the word of YHVH and the example of Yeshua? Second, what is his eschatology?

Yeshua said in John 10:11, “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.” Yeshua taught the disciples to love one another and to serve one another. A servants heart, not a tyrant’s heart is a strong indicator of a pastor. Does the pastor say that the Bible is the inerrant, infallible word of YHVH, then go on to show where he disagrees with the Word? Does the pastor cherry pick verses out of context to make his points? Does the pastor subscribe to John 14:6 where Yeshua said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me” or does he believe that allah and YHVH are the same and that there are more ways than one to heaven?

What is the pastor’s eschatology? The book of Revelation, along with all the prophets, is consistent about the return of the Messiah. Yeshua will return. He alone will establish his kingdom after he sets things right on earth. Anyone who preaches that man must establish the kingdom of God on earth before the Messiah returns, that man will set things straight, that the Messiah will rule over the earth in absentia through certain men, is a false teacher. How do you know? Read your Bible. Paul warns in Ephesians 4:14, “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.”

Rick Warren son Matthew suicide

Wolves Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, etc

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How to spot an Emergent Church
The apostacy, falling away of the end-times is in full swing.  2 Thess. 2:3
Every truth-seeking Christian needs to be aware of the Emergent Church.
Put bluntly, the Emergent Church Movement is a complete redefinition of Christianity.
It is unquestionably the new Liberalism

The Emergent Church Movement is a complete redefinition of Christianity
Over a century ago spiritual liberalism swept through the once-sound mainline denominations, wreaking theological havoc on anyone in its path.
Once solid and fundamentally based seminaries became infested with the liberal teachings which doubt the authority of the Bible.
Millions are now in the flames of hell who believed that those entrusted with teaching them the Christian faith were doing so authentically.

The Emergent Church Movement takes its name from the idea that the culture has changed, and a new church should emerge in response.
Here are their heresies

To Emergents, Christianity should be:
* Experience over Reason
* Spirituality over Doctrine and Absolutes
* Images over Words
* Feelings over Truth
* Earthly Justice over Salvation
* Social Action over Eternity

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:1

DANGER!  NAR New Apostle Reformation

DECEPTION, Emergent Church

Crislam (Chrislam) is Spiritual treason!

Rick Warren and other wolves

And there is no salvation at the church of Joel Osteen

Rick Warren's unholy reign as 'America's pastor'
August 9, 2012  Exclusive: Jim Fletcher exposes 'purpose-driven' cult of personality.
In certain biographical incarnations, Rick Warren likes to say something like: “Wrote some books.” Part of his appeal comes from an alleged folksy approach: I’m just a regular guy, too!
His “Purpose Driven Life” is by now the subject of publishing lore: the second-best-selling book of all time.
It’s when there isn’t an editor around that he gets into writing trouble.
On March 20, “America’s Pastor,” tweeted: “Follow positive tweeps. Unfollow negative twits.”

Predictably, what followed were a series of sycophantic responses that, indeed, Pastor Rick is right and we just need to get positive spiritual energy into our minds.
In February, he tweeted the following: “Your humility is revealed in how you treat those you disagree with.”
His use of social media to – unwittingly, I think – expose a latent nastiness toward “critics” is fascinating.

Warren’s tweets on this subject throb with irony and hypocrisy, but fewer and fewer people today in the American church seem aware of this. To now, he has gotten away with this kind of thing, as the Teflon Don of Evangelicalism, but his bizarre contradictions, made public through social media, are attracting attention.

Incredibly, as I type this, Pastor Rick has tweeted another related message: “Like an EKG, our words show the condition of our heart. ASK: Do my comments show a generous & peaceful heart or a mean & petty one?”
Mind-boggling. Does this guy have a handler?
When a new Rick Warren book comes out, he has an army of editors and publicists assigned to keep the stupid factor at bay. When he’s on his own, with the itchy Twitter finger, it’s a crapshoot.

Related to this subject of Warren’s communication style, the publishing/proclaiming of a leftist worldview is all the rage in the church right now. Not coincidentally, many are Warren’s friends. They’re pretty thin-skinned, too.

The so-called “Chrislam” controversy is typical. Warren has a growing track record of being chummy with Muslims – going back to his breezy 2006 meeting with the Butcher of Damascus, Bashar Assad.
When Relevant magazine publisher Cameron Strang, 35, one of the real influencers of his generation, returned from visiting “Israel/’Palestine’” (I still don’t know where Palestine is) Warren tweeted that the two needed to talk.

Do you think he wanted to discuss the perilous position Israel is in, regarding Palestinian-led terrorism? Hardly. He no doubt is going farther down the road of compromise with Israel’s enemies, and his mentoring persona is in full-flower with young protégés like Strang, Perry Noble, Mark Driscoll and many others.

A recent story that ran in California’s Orange County Register, by reporter Jim Finch, presented a Warren that many found disturbing: cozying up to Muslim clerics and blurring the lines between Christianity and Islam.

I have a journalism degree, and have been fascinated watching Warren’s spin machine set in motion like a whirling dervish. A responsible reporter like Finch fact-checks his story, then is thrown under the bus by Warren’s spin machine from Saddleback Church. For more on Warren, I recommend the following sources:

Paul Smith’s book, “New Evangelicalism”
Warren Smith’s “A Time of Departing”

Warren’s spin machine in the wake of the Orange County piece is breathtaking. We now live in a time in which disinformation and misinformation – at one time the exclusive domain of the Soviets and their acolytes – reigns in the evangelical leadership world, and rains down on the rest of us like hailstones.

In essence, Warren was able to put across the message that Finch’s story on him was fatally flawed and error-ridden.
A key feature of the new evangelicals is their inherent nastiness –cloaked, astonishingly, behind a mask of tolerance and sweet Christian grace – when anyone calls their methods and/or statements into question. After all, are we not all to be Bereans? Evidently not, if you are pointing out egregious errors in teaching.

In other words, if you curry favor with Warren & Friends, you will be brought into the circle of trust and more than likely gifted with speaking and marketing platforms that heretofore only existed in your dreams. However … raise legitimate and disturbing questions, like Ken Silva, and you will be referred to as a twit. This is preceded, of course, by a tweet that professes a magnanimous stance towards your “critics.”  Weird.

Researcher Sarah Leslie (Herescope) pointed out to me recently the fascinating link between Emergent/Leadership Network “leaders” (Warren and Bill Hybels are mentors to LN leads Andy Stanley and Craig Groeschel) and the publishing giant, Jossey-Bass.
This has relevance to Warren, because he was mentored by Peter Drucker, who was involved with the Leadership Network and church-growth techniques.

One of the results has been a pushing of a center-left theological foundation. While guys like Warren are ostensibly “conservative” (Warren is Southern Baptist), they are more interested in cultivating friendships with globalists than in promoting a biblical worldview.

Let’s examine this George Soros-like funding of platforms within evangelical leadership ranks, because it is an underreported story that is in fact quite profound.
In any prior era of Christianity, the theology of Brian McLaren would have been outside of the mainstream of orthodoxy. Yet today he and others identify the former Maryland pastor as an “evangelical,” which proves that to some, actual words have no real meaning. They are elastic.

(Interestingly, to highlight the paper trail, Warren and McLaren wrote forewords for Dan Kimball’s 2003 book, “The Emerging Church.” A generation ago, an evangelical leader wouldn’t have been caught dead even standing next to McLaren.)

Said pastor/leader/author one day finds himself in possession of a glitzy book contract from a major publisher. By contrast, many of today’s watchmen on the wall can’t get arrested when trying to attract the attention of a publisher with pockets deep enough to really promote a book. Most self-publish. I well remember about 10 years ago, talking with a publicist friend who told me what a pariah Dave Hunt had become in mainstream Christian publishing. No kidding.

Next, the change agent is being pursued by publicists and media outlets that want an interview. High-profile interviews.
Back in the 90s, some of these large publishers (Baker Books is another Christian publisher that has gone over to the Emergent theology) began to shape the writing and speaking careers of Warren protégés like Mark Driscoll.
It is marketing, folks. Slick, well-financed marketing that has given these speakers a platform to disseminate their ideas. The more worldly success they have, the more arrogant they become.

In back of it all is a malevolent intolerance for conservative Christians, and it is masked by … tolerance! Again, one of the top promoters of this agenda is Rick Warren. His contradictory concoction of syncretism, traditional Christian language and rants against his critics has, amazingly, left his followers intoxicated and unable to discern what is really going on in evangelicalism today.
A linchpin of their agenda, their “purpose,” is to publish widely and gain large followings for their worldviews.

Rick Warren cancels plans for a civil forum because their campaign is so uncivil.
Aug 22, 2012  Neither the Obama campaign nor the Romney campaign says their candidate had committed to appearing at the forum at Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., near Los Angeles. The forum had been planned for this week.
In an interview published Wednesday by the Orange County Register, Warren said the forum's goal was to promote civility and personal respect between people with major differences. He said that's not been the climate of the presidential campaign and that he doesn't expect that to change.
In 2008, Warren's church sponsored a forum with Obama and Republican John McCain.
Saddleback's website says that about 20,000 people attend its weekend services.

So was Warren's agenda to "promote civility and personal respect" b/w Muslims and Mormons with this "Presidential Forum"? Rolling Eyes
Uhm, that's NOT the Great Commission you were called to do, Pastor Warren!

1 Corinthians 1
17  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Rick Warren Hospitalized, Awaiting Diagnosis
26 Sep 2012
Rick Warren of Saddleback Church was hospitalized after experiencing pain in his arms. He will be undergoing a series of tests to determine what the cause is though the doctor's "diagnostic guess" is that he has an inner ear virus that may have spread to the nerves in his neck and down his arms.

Could the Lord be sending a message? There is still time Rick... REPENT!

Eze 18:26  When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Eze 18:27  Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28  Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Rick Warren released from hospital
Sep. 28, 2012
(Church Report)  Rick Warren is fine and back home, his wife, Kay, said following a hospital visit for tingling in his arms and hands. “He attended the Anaheim Mayor’s Prayer Breakfast this morning,” Anne Krumm, a Saddleback Church official, said. “They’re doing some more tests but for now he’s good to go.”, according to commens to she made to the Orange County Register.

Rick Warren to appear on Oprah's Life(less) class with Joel Osteen
That's on Oprah's OWN network.

Here is the synopsis of yesterday's awful livestream of Rick Warren and Joel Osteen on Oprahs Lifeclass
by former New Ager of C.A.N.A. (Christian Answers For the New Age)

By Marcia Montenegro, Oct. 6, 2012

On October 5th, along with others on Facebook, I watched 3 hours of live taping of Oprah’s Lifeclass online. This included an hour of Word Faith preacher Joel Osteen with Oprah and 2 hours of megachurch Pastor Rick Warren with Oprah. These programs will air later on the OWN network (Rick Warren’s two shows will air in early 2013).

God's Word First

Before discussing this, let’s look at God’s word. First of all, we are told to handle God’s word correctly: “Be diligent to (present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15).

It is important not to take scripture out of context, or to misapply it. Reading a passage in context and in comparison to other scripture on a similar topic or theme solves most mistakes or deliberate misuses of scripture applications.

Both Word of Faith teachings (Joel Osteen) and New Thought (Oprah) use scripture and claim Christianity, but take the Bible out of context to prop up false teachings. One of the most widely misused passages is Proverbs 23:7, “As a man thinketh, so is he.” This is quoted by almost every New Thought teacher who has ever lived to support the view that your thoughts determine the reality of your life. The deeper belief here is that your thoughts can alter reality, and that positive thoughts attract positive events while negative ones draw negative events. This is actually a principle of sorcery.

How do we know what Proverbs 23:7 really means? It’s easy to discover if one examines the entire passage. Then it becomes obvious that the text is denouncing acting outwardly one way while inwardly thinking another way. Starting at verse 6, we read: "Do not eat the bread of a selfish man, or desire his delicacies; for as he thinks within himself, so he is. He says to you, 'Eat and drink!' But his heart is not with you." Rather than buttressing New Thought principles, this passage is condemning selfish, hypocritical behavior!

The subtle deception of New Thought is that renewing one’s thinking can be done through techniques and self-effort. This is Satan’s counterfeit of the putting on of the “new self” and renewal of the mind by the power of the Holy Spirit, which only happens when one has believed in Christ and been regenerated by the Spirit (see Rom. 12:2; 2 Cor. 4:16; Eph. 4:23; Col. 3:10; Titus 3:5).

Joel Osteen

Osteen gave his usual Word of Faith teachings that words have power over our lives and this is the way to change our lives. He gave the same kind of affirmations that are taught in New Thought and the New Age, so Oprah was totally on board with this. Affirmations are statements that one repeats, verbally and/or in writing, so that they will become true.

Oprah was spiritually influenced by Unity minister Eric Butterworth’s teaching that Jesus came to show how to achieve Christ Consciousness (the realization that we all have an inherently divine nature). I was not surprised at anything Osteen said, nor that Oprah found him in line with her views.

Rick Warren

However, although Rick Warren has had New Age Dr. Oz at his church (along with a supposedly Christian doctor who also endorses some New Age practices), I was hoping he (RW) would somehow give the gospel in the midst of his motivational advice, but he never did. He used the imagery of a poker game to explain we are dealt certain cards, and then gave a teaching on this that sounded like moralistic self-help programs I’ve heard so many times, throwing in a few Bible quotes taken out of context or misquoted. It was something almost any New Ager could accept. God becomes a tool for self-improvement and success.

Warren referred to Jesus, but took scripture out of context and applied things said to believers to everyone. He also misused the Proverbs passage that says “as a man thinketh, so is he.” This passage is a famous passage misused by New Thought proponents and is used in “The Secret.”

What was really hard to watch is when a woman in Norway Skyped to say she realized she needed God but wanted to know who God is and she asked, “What should I do?” It was clear that she was ripe to hear the gospel and needed Jesus! It was a great opportunity to share the gospel with her, and at the same time, for Oprah to hear it. Instead of giving the gospel, Rick Warren seemed uncomfortable and finally just said something like, ‘Go to God and find your purpose.” It was a terrible moment! The woman looked surprised and sad, like she was expecting something else. I prayed for her later and am hoping that the many Christians who witnessed this will pray for her.

Not only that, but when Oprah referred to God, as she often did, Rick Warren agreed with her as though she was referring to the biblical God, which she was not. He even said a few times, “Oprah has a good point.” No, she never did! She was speaking totally out of her New Thought/New Age beliefs. I am grateful that RW recommended that people read the gospel of John. That was the best thing he said.

A Different God and The True God

New Thought followers and New Agers will refer to God and Jesus, but it is a god who is a tool for self-betterment and success, and a Jesus who inspires as a human example – not the righteous God who has wrath on sin nor the God-man Jesus who through is death and resurrection is found forgiveness of sins and eternal life to those who believe.

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” Acts 10:43

rick warren - satan
rome  =  satan
Obama = satan

Non christians have no problem with 'god.'
And Christians need to point to YESHUA - MESSIAH - THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - NOT 'god.'

I wonder if good 'ole slick Rick remembered this passage?

1Co 15:1  Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1Co 15:9  For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10  But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
1Co 15:11  Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
1Co 15:12  Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13  But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14  And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15  Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16  For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17  And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18  Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


Guess not...



The online apologetics and discernment ministry (OADM) Apprising Ministries has warned you of the resurgence of Rick Warren ever since John Piper asked him to be a keynote speaker for the Desiring God Conference 2010. I would say that this in itself was grievous enough.

Unfortunately, Piper then made the dangerous and detrimental decision to actually pronounce the sinfully ecumenical megapastor “doctrinal and sound.” So as Warren begins his media blitz again pushing his magnum opus The Purpose Driven Life he has more support backing him in Christian circles than ever before.

Despite PDL’s serious and numerous doctrinal deviations,[1] this now also includes the Reformed and New Calvinist camps. Sadly, Rick Warren appears well-trained in double-speak through his years of training by Leadership Network and his “file card orthodoxy” serves him well in the public arena.

The video below from Warren’s appearance today on CBS This Morning is billed by CBS as:


Here now is Rick Warren, “one of the most influential voices in American life,” as Norah O’Donnell will introduce him for this mornng’s CBS This Morning segment:

Video in link inside

Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says ‘Gays’ Go to Heaven
01 Dec 2012
Controversy is stirring over recent comments made by Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Calipornia,
who stated that homosexual behavior “might be” sinful, and that he believes homosexuals go to Heaven.
Warren was asked if having romantic feelings for a member of the same sex is a sin.
Leading up to the question, Warren was explaining that he does not hate homosexuals, and that people should disagree politely on the subject of homosexuality.

“I have many, many gay friends, and have worked around the world with them in gay organizations to try to stop AIDS,” he said. “We’re doing ‘World AIDS Day’ this weekend at Saddleback Church. My wife and I have given millions of dollars to help people with HIV/AIDS and have worked with gay organizations on that.”

“What about the love part, though? I hear about the AIDS part,” asked Hill. “It’s not illegal to love somebody,” Warren replied.
“But you think it’s a sin,” Hill asserted. “No, it’s not a sin to love somebody,” Warren said.
“It might be a sin to have sex with them,” he added. “It might be.”

However, just moments prior, Hill aired a clip from an interview that Warren participated in on Piers Morgan this week, where Warren presented a slightly different answer. He began by responding to the question of whether or not a person can be born homosexual.

“I think the jury is still out on that,” he said. “It wouldn’t bother me if there was a ‘gay gene’ found, because here’s what we know about life: I have all kinds of natural feelings in my life, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that I should act on every feeling. … I do not believe that attraction is a sin, but I do believe that some actions are sin.”

Warren stated during his interview with Hill that he believes sex outside of marriage is always sinful, however, and that he obtains his views from the Bible.

“I make no bones about it. I’m an evangelical pastor, so my source of authority is, what does the Bible say about it?” he said. “However, people will have other sources of authority.”

“Or, different readings of the Bible,” Hill injected.
“Or different readings — that’s very true,” Warren agreed.

Later during the interview, when Hill asked Warren if he believes homosexuals will go to Hell, he replied that they will not.
“No, not because they’re gay,” he said. “We go to Hell because we choose to reject the grace of God.”

When Hill asked what happens to a homosexual that accepts Jesus, Warren responded enthusiastically.
“He’s going to Heaven!” he declared. “Without a doubt.”

Warren is not the first evangelical to make the assertion, however. Earlier this year, megachurch author and speaker Joel Osteen similarly told popular talk show host Oprah that he also believes homosexuals are saved.

“Will a gay person be accepted into heaven, as you see it?,” Oprah asked Osteen. “I believe they will,” he replied.

Craig Gross of “XXXChurch” also made statements in July that he doesn’t think God would send homosexuals to Hell.

“Why do they (religious people) believe that the gay guy goes to Hell, but the fat preacher who builds some of the largest churches in the world makes it to Heaven?” Gross wrote in an online blog.

However, many Christians view statements such as these as compromise against the word of God.

“The concept of a ‘gay Christian’ is an oxymoron in light of numerous Scriptural instances wherein homosexual behavior is forbidden,” Alex Mason, policy analyst for the Family Policy Network, told Christian News Network. “One cannot live in a continual state of unrepentant sexual sin while calling themselves a Christian.”

“That’s not to say Christians can’t struggle with sin, including sexual sin,” he continued. “The Christian life as a constant struggle against sin, and just as some Christians struggle to defeat heterosexual lust, others may struggle to defeat homosexual lusts.”

Peter LaBarbera, the president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, agreed. He stated that he was shocked at Rick Warren’s comments.

“You don’t want to give the impression that it’s fine and dandy to live the homosexual lifestyle and as long as I believe in Jesus, I can still go to Heaven,” he said. “It’s one thing to have attractions and [fight] that, [and another to embrace homosexual behavior].”

Mason, whose ministry operates the website, stated that Warren should have explained his beliefs further, so as not to jeopardize the eternity of valuable souls.

“Warren failed to define what it means to ‘accept Christ,’ leaving viewers with the notion that a person can simply express a ‘belief’ in Jesus’ existence without turning away from the sins He died to atone,” he lamented.

“When you accept Christ, your behavior changes,” LaBarbera said. “And the attitude is [people like Warren] don’t want to talk about changes. … We know that God changes homosexuals, so why isn’t Rick Warren saying that?”

LaBarbera also told Christian News Network that he thinks Warren is treading into very dangerous territory by insinuating that the issue of homosexual behavior is a grey area.

“What part of Romans 1 doesn’t Rick Warren understand? It’s so clear,” he said. “When you make statements like these, you end up losing the Biblical sense, and the Biblical sense is that this is an abomination.”

Mason agreed, and outlined that sin needs to be taken seriously by those who wear the name of Christ.

“Christians should not, for one moment, hesitate when asked about behaviors that Scripture clearly calls sinful,” he said. “It is impossible for anyone to legitimize or make holy what God Himself has called unholy.”

“The Apostle Paul did not hesitate to faithfully echo God’s standards in his letter to the Corinthians, wherein he included a long list of sins that will keep people from the kingdom of God, including the sin of homosexuality,” Mason continued, citing 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. “Modern preachers would do well to follow Paul’s example in condemning that which God has condemned, while also proclaiming that the only hope for sinners  – homosexual and heterosexual alike — is faith in Jesus Christ: ‘All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’”

LaBarbera said that Warren should not only have called homosexual behavior sin, but should have gone deeper to the root issue.

“It’s also sinful to lust after another man,” LaBarbera said. “We can’t advocate sin as believers, and we have to think about how that the person that’s struggling with homosexuality is going to hear this.”

“There is no Biblical basis for his statements,” he added. “I think Rick Warren needs to retract that ['might be'] statement and clarify it. If he does not retract it, he has fallen into error.”

“Rick Warren has a heart for lost souls, but he seems fearful he’ll offend people he could otherwise lead to salvation by telling the truth about their sin. That may indicate an inadequate faith in God’s sovereignty, or a failure to fully believe God’s Word has the power to transform lives,” Mason concluded. “I pray he’ll find the courage to be just as determined to be the salt of the earth as he is to be a light to the world.”

Joel Osteen is as much a grinnin WOLF as Warren

I have many, many gay friends, and have worked around the world with them in gay organizations to try to stop AIDS,” he said. “We’re doing ‘World AIDS Day’ this weekend at Saddleback Church. My wife and I have given millions of dollars to help people with HIV/AIDS and have worked with gay organizations on that.”

I don't know - but is it just me, or does this sound like someone who's truely homophobic(or whatever you want to call it)?

Pt being that if I(or anyone else), let's say, say "Some of my best friends are black"...wouldn't THAT sound racist? Pretty much you're trying to over-emphasize something so that you would pretend to be someone you're not.

Just saying.

Gal 3:27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rick Warren & Those Devilish Discernment Bloggers


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Over this past weekend at Empowered by Christ we posted a Tweet by Rick Warren on November 29th at 9:07 pm. (Which is quoted above.) It seems that Rick Warren has taken a break from his latest media blitzes in promoting the revamped version of The Purpose Driven Life and is out to try to discredit anyone who criticizes him, his book, or his ministry.

This time Rick Warren went on an ad hominid attack calling Bloggers that slander others basically workers of the devil.  The problem is not that Rick Warren is against those who do such things, but more that he has grouped all bloggers into this one camp. He has not separated those who are out for doing the work of the devil from those who are working for the Kingdom of God.  What Mr. Warren has done here is committed a genetic fallacy by grouping all bloggers together into one camp. One could logically conclude from Rick Warren's Tweet the following; he feels that anyone who raises any question, concern, or disapproval about Rick Warren's teachings, methodology, or theological position is working for the devil.

Here at Empowered by Christ we have made it a practice of not engaging in ad hominid attacks or what is known as "yellow journalism.” Instead, we focus on discussing and debating over doctrinal and theological issues, not attacking the person-hood of a particular person. Our mission here at Empowered by Christ is to uplift, educated and help you defend your faith, knowing what you believe and why you believe it.  In doing so, sometimes we need to name names and call out pastors and leaders in the Christian establishments. However, when doing so we always make sure to be fair, honest, and stay away from the personal name calling and attacks on a person's character.

This latest Tweet by Rick Warren is just another example that goes to prove Warren’s unwillingness or inability to confront, discuss or even acknowledge issues of controversy with people who disagree with him. It is much easier for Rick Warren to group all people who disagree with him as bloggers who work for Satan, live in their mother’s basement eating Cheetos, drinking Mountain Dew and have no life.   We should not be surprised by comments like this from Rick Warren or other Emergent/Seeker Driven churches. This type of mantra is very common and is part of the unwritten EC/SD playbook.  Within the EC/SD movements you are either on board with that pastor’s or leader’s vision or you are forced to leave. If you choose not to leave, prepare to have the bus backed over you to make you leave.

As for what Rick Warren will do next, who knows?  As for the future, Rick Warren is sure to make more ad hominid attacks towards his criticizers. As for us here at Empowered by Christ we will be here to expose those attacks by teachers like Rick Warren or others in the EC/SD movement.

Southwestern Baptist Seminary idolatry
Dec. 2012
-  We had no idea that Baptists venerated saints. Come to think of it, we had no idea that a Bible twister and false teacher like Rick Warren was considered worthy of such an honor by any self respecting orthodox Christian.
But, someone at Southwestern Baptist Seminary apparently thinks “Saint” Rick Warren worthy of a stained glass veneration. SMH

If you didn’t know, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is an SBC school and Paige Patterson is its president:
Here is an example of General of the Seeker Driven Army “Saint” Rick Warren teaching his man-centered mythology:

"Fear is the pathway to the dark side.Fear leads to anger,which leads to hatred & hatred leads to suffering"YODA,theologian
Rick Warren  29 Dec 12 - he was referring to the STAR WARS demon

Sex charges rock Purpose Driven 'healthy church'
Warren's model pastor accused of manipulating woman for 'perverted pleasures'
Pastor Dale Lee McFarland was an up-and-coming star in the “Purpose Driven Church” movement, having left his position as a Microsoft executive to launch a thriving megachurch in Arizona and travel the world with evangelical superstar Rick Warren to train others in the methods of “The Purpose Driven Life.”

McFarland’s congregation, Radiant Church in Surprise, Ariz., had even boasted of receiving the Church Health Award from Purpose Driven Ministries and had grown to be one of the largest Assemblies of God churches in the country.

But earlier this year, a couple in the church filed a lawsuit, Courthouse News reports, alleging McFarland told the wife to have sex with him with “God’s approval” and divorce her husband.
Derek and Jody Gallagher claim McFarland “breached his duty as a pastor and counselor when [he] began manipulating a vulnerable Jody for his personal, perverted sexual pleasures.”

The Gallaghers’ sordid story includes charges McFarland told Jody her husband was “dangerous” and convinced her to change her home’s locks, sent her salacious and pornographic messages, exchanged nude photographs with her and manipulated her into having sex with him in the church building, even while he was offering the couple marriage counseling.

The Gallaghers, who are reportedly still married and seeking counseling elsewhere, are suing McFarland, Radiant Church Assembly of God and the Arizona District Council of the Assemblies of God in Maricopa County Court for $6.6 million, claiming breach of fiduciary duty, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress and other claims.

McFarland, meanwhile, is no longer employed at Radiant Church, and in fact, the church has scrubbed all mention of him from its website.
The allegations, however, have caused some detractors of the Purpose Driven movement and its founder, Rick Warren, to renew their criticism.

Warren, the founder and pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., is also the author of “The Purpose Driven Life,” claimed to be the best-selling nonfiction book in world history, next to the Bible. An international activist and philanthropist, Warren has been credited by various media outlets as being one of the most influential Christians in the world.

But Warren’s critics have claimed his Purpose Driven ministry emphasizes only doing good, while dodging the kind of biblical repentance that is needed for a person – or a pastor – to have their life transformed by Christ. The Purpose Driven Church model, or PDC, discounts the fear of the Lord, Warren’s critics say, while encouraging pastors to become “masters” of their churches instead of servants.

James Sundquist, author of “Who’s Driving the Purpose Driven Church?” is one of the voices in a new video by producer Elliott Nesch called “Church of Tares,” which asserts Warren has built his organizations upon secular business management philosophies rather than the foundation of Jesus Christ, resulting in “a great compromise of the Great Commission.”

“In all fairness to Rick Warren, there is no direct connection between him and what this pastor is being sued for regarding sexual exploitation,” Sundquist told WND. “But there is an indirect connection in that Purpose Driven pastors are pastor as master and [are taught] psychotherapy and enforced covenants, [which can be] used to exploit a vulnerable member. McFarland’s struggles are not unique to Purpose Driven churches, but PDC is a template for abuse.”

“The fear of the Lord and the wrath of God and the total depravity of man are either not taught at all or are watered down in Warren’s PDC programs, so that church growth formulas and seeker-sensitive people are not offended,” Sundquist continued. “Now all of the right sermons on fear of the Lord and the wrath of God could be preached and adultery could still happen, but … if these things are not preached, how can we be surprised that these things happen in a church?”
Rick Warren was contacted for comment on this story, but offered no reply.

“Lord, what are we going to do?” asks a disciple.
Feb. 2013  “Change the world,” Jesus answers, in a slightly British accent.
Here is the movie trailer from the History Channel’s new The Bible series set to debut March 3rd – Easter Sunday:
Will The Bible remain true to Scripture, or will its producers, Roma Downey (“Touched by an Angel“), and her husband Mark Burnett (creator of reality TV shows “Celebrity Apprentice,” “Shark Tank,” “Survivor” and “The Voice”), change things? We won’t know until we see it, but already The Bible is getting huge accolades and even a smartphone app. Downey plays Jesus’ mother Mary in the series.

And when America’s Pastor, Rick Warren ties his name and his Saddleback church to the project, well, many of you are probably wondering about the wisdom in joining in any church-sponsored small group studies around this movie.

Warren plans to give an exclusive preview and behind-the-scenes look at the production in a  90-minute simulcast that will feature an overview of the series with Burnett and Downey, according to, Warren’s website for Christian leaders and pastors.

Warren will incorporate the History Channel TV series during the next five weekend sermons. His Sunday evening services will feature a viewing of the series on big screens. He is encouraging other churches to do the same. Will your church tie into the Saddleback series?

Uhm...Jesus never said to change the world...
John 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Rick Warren son, Matthew, 27, committed suicide
April 6, 2013
Pastor Rick Warren announces son’s suicide to congregation
Matthew Warren had struggled with mental illness and deep depression.
Some claim he shot himself.

Rich Warren is so FALSE I am not so sure his son is in heaven.  God only knows

Just b/c someone is a true born-again believer doesn't mean he or she will have the "perfect", per se family.

Mat 10:34  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36  And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37  He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38  And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

With that being said, these stories bother me a bit nonetheless b/c people like Warren, despite them being wolves in sheep's clothing, are nonetheless highly esteemed in Churchianity circles, so therefore they are seen as having these "perfect" families, and they themselves are deceived into thinking they have to have these "perfect" families what if something happens like this that ends up testing their faith?

1Tim 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Fox version excerpt:

"I'll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said `Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?"' Warren recalled.


Obviously, "Pastor" Warren doesn't know his bible...

2The 1:3  We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th 1:4  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5  Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Fox version excerpt:

"I'll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said `Dad, I know I'm going to heaven. Why can't I just die and end this pain?"' Warren recalled.

More excerpts:

"Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the statement said.

"Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."

Another except from another article:

"But only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided," Warren wrote in the letter to the Saddleback congregation.

After a "fun evening" as a family, Warren said his son took his life "in a momentary wave of despair at his home."


So a "Christian pastor" has to rely on "the best health care"? And not the hope of eternal life Jesus Christ offers?

Rom 9:20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Son of Pastor Rick Warren commits suicide
After a lifelong battle with mental illness, the youngest son of Pastor Rick Warren has committed suicide.
Matthew Warren, 27, died from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound on Friday, April 5th said Deputy Daniel Aikin, with the Orange County Coroner's Office.
Matthew Warren's body was found at his home in Mission Viejo, California, late Friday afternoon. He put the estimated time of death at around 10 a.m. that day.
The coroner's office is investigating the death. An autopsy will be conducted early next week.
There are internet rumors Matthew was homosexual.

Cat Stevens is a Muslim.  
Rick Warren denies being part of evil Crislam.

Crislam (Chrislam) is Spiritual treason!

Cat Stevens came by to see me as I worked at home on a sermon
8 Oct 2013
Rick Warren
Who knew that Rick Warren and Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) were this close? Did they sing a few choruses of Cat's nasheed that contains the lines, "I'm praying to Allah to give us victory over the kuffar"?

It is no surprise. Rick Warren previously has addressed the convention of the Hamas- and Muslim Brotherhood-linked Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He apologized to Muslims, but wasn't sure what for. And now he is palling around with Mr. Peace Train (which he even references in the above tweet). What could possibly go wrong?

Nothing. It's "dialogue." It's "interfaith outreach." One thing you can be certain they didn't "dialogue" about: Yusuf Islam's enthusiastic 1989 endorsement of the Ayatollah Khomeini's death fatwa against Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam: "Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie," by Craig R. Whitney in the New York Times, May 23, 1989:

TONDON [sic], May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in a British television program to be broadcast next week that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing.''

The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like.''
''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a preview of the program today and said in an interview that he stood by his comments....

And much more recently, he is praying for victory over the kuffar, while being embraced by Rick Warren.
Peace train, holy roller, ride on the peace train!

WHOOPS! Rolling Eyes

Rick Warren takes down tweet of him with arm around "legendary Cat Stevens" -- Yusuf Islam

Why? What is he ashamed of? What does he have to hide? If he is going to "dialogue" with a supporter of the jihad terror group Hamas, why not do it forthrightly?

Bryan Preston over at the PJ Tatler notices that this tweet from Rick Warren on October 4, which I wrote about at Jihad Watch on October 5, has been taken down.

more in link
Megachurch pastor Rick Warren slammed for Facebook photo post

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Megachurch pastor Rick Warren received criticism this week after posting a photo of a Chinese Red Guard on his Facebook page Monday.

The photo, which has since been taken down, showed a smiling worker in uniform for the Cultural Revolution, which was a social-political movement in China from 1966 to 1976. Millions of people died due to the impact of the revolution.

Along with the photo, Warren posted the caption, "The typical attitude of Saddleback Staff as they start work each day.”

Much of Warren’s criticism came from Asian American Christian bloggers and others who deemed the photo and caption insensitive to Chinese culture, asking the Saddleback Church pastor to apologize for the post.

But Warren’s response wasn’t as apologetic as some were looking for. He explained the post was a joke more than anything.

“People often miss irony on the Internet. It’s a joke people! If you take this seriously, you really shouldn’t be following me!” Warren posted as a comment. “Did you know that, using Hebrew ironic humor, Jesus inserted several laugh lines — jokes — in the Sermon on the Mount? The self-righteous missed them all while the disciples were undoubtably giggling!”

Taking an issue with the post and follow-up comment, writer and speaker Sam Tsang wrote his own grievances with the posting in a blog post.

“Do you know what narrative is behind this picture you just posted?” Tsang questioned. Has any Red Guard ever raped your mother? How about having your joints dislocated and quartered by horses? … How about having your arms hung up in an awkward position until they’re dislocated while being beaten merciless with all sorts of torturous devices? How about being made to stand near naked in freezing temperature outside? … I can go and on but I won’t belabor my point.”

Warren, seemingly after reading the piece, posted a comment apologizing to Tsang for posting the photo on his page. “Thanks so much for teaching us! It was removed instantly. May God bless you richly,” he commented.

The pastor, who was recently interviewed on CNN, also issued an apology on his Facebook page.

“Staff handed me a hard copy of an email from someone offended by a picture I posted," he wrote. "If you were hurt, upset, offended, or distressed by my insensitivity I am truly sorry. May God richly bless you."

In response to Warren’s apology, Tsang posted another blog post, saying he was going to leave the blog posts up for historical record “to show that a good man is good not because he is right all the time but because he owns up to this mistakes.”

Pastor Eugene Cho detailed the events of the photo’s posting and said the posting is “a learning opportunity” for everyone to be wary of each other’s cultures.


“People often miss irony on the Internet. It’s a joke people! If you take this seriously, you really shouldn’t be following me!” Warren posted as a comment. “Did you know that, using Hebrew ironic humor, Jesus inserted several laugh lines — jokes — in the Sermon on the Mount? The self-righteous missed them all while the disciples were undoubtably giggling!”

He did? Really?

Matthew 5:1  And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2  And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3  Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4  Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5  Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6  Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7  Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8  Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9  Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10  Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11  Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12  Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 5:13  Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14  Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20  For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23  Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24  Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25  Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26  Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28  But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29  And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31  It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33  Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34  But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35  Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36  Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37  But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39  But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40  And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41  And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42  Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43  Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


In response to Warren’s apology, Tsang posted another blog post, saying he was going to leave the blog posts up for historical record “to show that a good man is good not because he is right all the time but because he owns up to this mistakes.”

Uhm...Wrong Again!

Rom 4:4  Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Titus 3:3  For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4  But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5  Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6  Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7  That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This is just...WEIRD!
Rick Warren Visits Jesse Jackson Jr. in Prison: 'We Just Want to Love on Him and Pray With Him'

Saddleback Church Founding Pastor Goes to North Carolina Federal Facility to See Disgraced Congressman

Rick Warren, founding pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., has confirmed a visit to disgraced former Illinois Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. in his North Carolina prison on Friday, describing the visit in a public statement as a "private moment."

Jackson, currently serving a 30-month sentence for stealing $750,000 in campaign funds for personal purchases, has started receiving visitors at the Butner Federal Correctional Facility since being admitted on Oct. 29.

Among the former Congressman's guests were Pastor Warren and Saddelback Church's Associate Pastor Anthony Miller.

"This is a private moment and we just want to love on him and pray with him," Warren said in a statement, according to the Chicago-Sun Times Voices blog.

An Atlanta attorney named C.K. Hoffler was reportedly facilitating Jackson's visits, and has said that Warren and Miller found the former Congressman in "good spirits all things considered."

"He continues to regret all of the pain, shame and embarrassment that he has caused his family, his constituents and his friends but has begun the process of repaying his debt to society," the Voices blog reported Hoffler as saying.

According to WLS-TV in Chicago, Pastor Warren added, "We believe in leaders and second chances."

**Leaders? And second chances for WHAT, Rick?

Matthew 20:25  But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26  But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27  And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28  Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It was not known if Jackson and his representatives requested a visit from Pastor Warren, or whether the California megachurch pastor took it upon himself to make a trip to the federal correctional facility in North Carolina.

Jackson, son of civil rights activist and Baptist minister the Rev. Jesse Jackson, bought as many as 3,000 personal items with the $750,000 illegally taken from his campaign treasury. Among the many items the 48-year-old Democrat purchased between 2005 and 2012 were a Rolex watch, furs, vacations, furniture, and two mounted elk heads.

The Illinois politician from Chicago's South Side was expected to be released in Dec. 31, 2014, according to The Chicago Tribune. The paper also reports that Jackson's wife, Sandi Jackson, "a former Chicago alderman who was convicted on a related tax count, is to voluntarily surrender to the Bureau of Prisons to serve a 12-month sentence 30 days after her husband is a free man." While Mr. Jackson has paid back $200,000 so far, his wife was ordered to pay $22,000 in restitution.

Someone pointed this out to me tonight - this is David Rockefeller Jr(from the Illuminati Rockefeller family, that is) - he doesn't look exactly the same as Warren, but they look strikingly similar...

FYI - Bill Clinton is from the Rockefeller bloodline. Pretty much a lot of our Presidents came from this 13 family Illuminati bloodlines(ie-Lincoln/Rothchild).

YES he resembles wolf Warren.
FYI - ALL U.S. presidents and Englands royal family ALL - ALL - trace to one of the 13 illuminati (demon seed) families who rule earth.

NRO - check it out
Bill Nye's Upcoming Creation Debate Prompts Blogger to Bring Up His Brief Connection to Pastor Rick Warren

Despite celebrity scientist Bill Nye's recent attacks on creationism, the television star has not always distanced himself from religion, as evidenced by megachurch pastor Rick Warren performing his 2006 wedding to Blair Tindall.

Blogger Daniel Stillman claimed earlier this week that Warren's link to Nye came through his fiancée, who Stillman alleged had received pastoral counselling from the Saddleback pastor and who also shares his Southern Baptist faith.

In recent years, Nye has cultivated a following due to his public denouncements of creationism. In 2012, he released a YouTube video, "Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children," where he accused Americans unwilling to accept evolution of preventing progress.

"When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in [evolution] it holds everyone back," Nye said in the video, which has since racked up over 6 million views. "...The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent."

Nye also told creationists that they should resist imparting their beliefs on their children.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.

Nye and Ken Ham, CEO and president of creationist organization Answers in Genesis, recently agreed to debate one another in February on the question: "Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern scientific world?"

Ham, who supports a literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, has argued that Nye "doesn't understand the difference between historical science and observational science."

"This debate will help highlight the fact that so many young people are dismissing the Bible because of evolution, and even many young people who had grown up in the church decided to leave the church because they saw evolution as showing the Bible could not be trusted," Ham said about the upcoming debate.

Eight hundred tickets for the event went on sale earlier this week and sold out in two minutes. A live video stream will be available for $4.99 on the day of the debate.

Nye's marriage to Tindall was ultimately short-lived and quickly descended into a series of lawsuits. Several months after the wedding, Nye and Tindall's marriage license was declared invalid.

The scientist shortly thereafter accused his ex of stealing several possessions from him, including his laptop and impersonating him on emails. He later sought out a restraining order, reported TMZ.

In 2009, court documents showed that Tindall violated the restraining order. When Nye returned to court to enforce it, he claimed that the lawsuit cost him $57,000, a number that he returned to court in 2012 to force her to pay.

“Mental Illness” – Rome’s New Ecumenical Tool and Possibly New Weapon Against True Believers

Pic says it all


John 10:20 – “And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye Him?”

Acts 26:24-25 – “And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.”


We all kind of saw this day coming didn’t we?
Megachurch Pastor Unites Faith, Psychology Leaders To Raise Mental Health Awareness

LAKE FOREST ( — A prominent Orange County pastor joined forces with other faith, health and psychology leaders to provide effective and compassionate care to those who suffer from mental illness.

Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest convened “The Gathering on Mental Health and the Church” as part of ongoing community outreach efforts following the death of his 27-year-old son, who committed suicide last April amid struggles with severe depression and suicidal thoughts.

The mental health forum on Friday featured 20 interactive workshops covering depression, suicide-risk reduction, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, addictions, and other topics along with speakers addressing the role of church leaders in mental health and crisis management, according to a spokesperson.

"management"? Could this also be another Clergy Response Teams agenda?

All 3,300 seats at the church were sold-out, CBS2′s Stacey Butler reported.

Huh? Sold out? I thought the purpose of this "forum" was to *reach out* in *compassion* to the "mentally ill"? So shouldn't everyone be able to come for FREE, and NOT have to pay for it?

“When families have a mental illness crisis, the first person they call is not the school district. And the first person they call is not an attorney. And the first person they call is not even a doctor. The first person they typically call before there is a crisis is they call their church,” Warren said.

**Then why in the world did you send your son to all of these psychiatrists? Why are you inviting these mental health "experts" to work with you?

In addition to Rick and Kay Warren, speakers included Bishop Kevin Vann of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange; Eric Johnson, Ph.D., Lawrence and Charlotte Hoover Professor of Pastoral Care at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; Matthew Stanford, Ph.D., professor of psychology, neuroscience and biomedical studies at Baylor University; Aaron Kheriaty, M.D., associate professor of psychiatry, UC Irvine; and others.

**Interesting(in a bad way, that is) list...the RCC, Freemasonic-infiltrated SBC and Baylor Univ, and of course "mental health" experts at universities.

“Integrating the physical, mental, and spiritual aspect is very helpful because people either miss the spiritual aspect or focus too much on the biological,” said Luke Maxwell, a suicide attempt survivor.

Warren said the event was aimed at removing the stigma surrounding mental illness following the death of their son, Matthew, who took his life on April 5, 2013, after a lifelong struggle with mental illness.

“One of the things I believe is that God never wastes a hurt and that oftentimes your greatest ministry comes out of your deepest pain,” said Warren. “When Kay and I began ministering to people with HIV & AIDS about a dozen years ago, I thought being HIV positive was the greatest taboo. But actually, I think mental illness is and we want to remove the stigma.”

**WRONG, Rick! Here's what the scriptures say...

1Thes 3:1  Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left at Athens alone;
1Th 3:2  And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
1Th 3:3  [b]That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto
1Th 3:4  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
1Th 3:5  For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

According to the National Institutes of Health, one in four adults — approximately 61.5 million Americans — experiences mental illness in a given year. One in 17 —  about 13.6 million — live with a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, major depression or bipolar disorder.

Warren, who founded Saddleback Church in 1980, is also author of the bestselling “The Purpose Driven Life” and gave the invocation at President Barack Obama’s 2009 inauguration.

Butler said Pastor Warren hopes his partnership with the Roman Catholic Diocese in Orange and the National Alliance on Mental Illness-Orange County will create a lasting change throughout the country.


Whatever happened to these verses of scriptures Warren and his RCC/SBC ilk failed to bring up?

Philippians3:13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Philippians 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

RICK WARREN CALLING FOR UNITY WITH ROME (Friday Church News Notes, April 25, 2014, Way of Life Literature, 866-295-4143)

This month, Rick Warren of Saddleback Church gave an exclusive interview with Catholic television channel EWTN, complete with effusive praise for the Catholic Church and the popes and a call for unity with Rome. He praised the works of Catholic contemplative “saints” such as St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila, calling their books “great classic devotional works,” ignoring the fact that they held to a false sacramental gospel and venerated Mary as the Mother of God and the Queen of Heaven. Warren said that Saddleback uses Roman Catholic contemplative prayer methods such as the very dangerous “centering prayer,” and Saddleback’s “spiritual director” was trained by a Roman Catholic named Jean Vanier. (See “Silence vs. The Silence” at In fact, he said that when he was writing The Purpose Drive Church he would get up in the morning, light candles, and start writing. He called Pope Francis “our pope” and said, “For authenticity, humility, Pope Francis is the perfect example. He is doing everything right.” Warren said that Saddleback recently received a delegation from the Vatican consisting of about 30 Catholic bishops to study the church’s “style of evangelization.” Warren said, “I fully support the Catholic Church’s New Evangelization,” which is a program to regain lapsed Catholics to the false Catholic faith and which is centered around veneration of Mary. When asked by EWTN’s Raymond Arroyo, “What is keeping Christians apart from the unity that John Paul II and all the recent popes have called for?” Warren replied: “I think we need to go back to the words of St. Augustine. ‘In the essentials we have unity; in the non-essentials we have liberty; in all things we show charity.’ I think this is really true. I think as the world, particularly the western culture, becomes more secular, more anti-Christian ... it is really incumbent on all Christians of every brand and stripe that we join together on the things that we share in common” (Rick Warren, EWTN, “World Today,” Apr. 10-11, 2014). Rick Warren is one of the most influential Christians on earth and also one of the most dangerous. He is enthusiastically building the end-time, one-world church.

Uhm...isn't ebola going on in Africa? Who is he trying to fool?
Pastor Rick Warren Announces Historic 2015 All Africa Purpose Driven Church Conference in Rwanda
Event to be first of five continent-wide gatherings by 2020


KIGALI, Rwanda, Aug. 11, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California and best-selling author of The Purpose Driven Life, today announced at a press conference in Kigali, Rwanda, plans to host the All Africa Purpose Driven Church Congress August 6-10, 2015.

This historic and unprecedented gathering of pastors and church leaders from all 54 African nations, will be held in conjunction with Rwanda Shima Imana, a Day of Thanksgiving to celebrate reconciliation and gratitude on the anniversary of the Rwandan genocide. It will be the first of five annual continent-wide conferences to take place by 2020, with the second planned to be held in Latin America in 2016.

"I have been to Rwanda many times but this is by far my most important trip," said Warren. "This week I am bringing over 100 leaders from 30 African nations as well as Russia, China, India and the U.S. I want them to see what is happening in this country and to see the growth, development and progress that has been made in both this nation and its churches as we prepare for the 2015 gathering."

Warren explained how the idea for The PEACE Plan was birthed in 2003 while he was speaking in South Africa, but two years later following a call from His Excellency Paul Kagame, President of Rwanda, it became a reality as the country became the first Purpose Driven nation.

"I have been working with and watching the churches of Rwanda for nearly 10 years, and I believe now is the time for them to be a model to the world," Warren said. "It would be just like God to take a small nation like Rwanda on which the world turned its back 20 years ago in its greatest need and use it for God and for good."

Warren emphasized that as leadership training begins this week in Rwanda and continues in 2015 with the continent-wide gathering, it will emphasize reconciliation, with Rwandan leaders sharing their stories of forgiveness and healing following the 1994 genocide, which took the lives of 1 million Rwandans and left 1 million children orphaned over the course of 100 days.

"I believe the secret to Middle East peace is in Rwanda," said Warren. "World leaders should be studying Rwanda. This should be the model."

The 12 pastors who serve on the Rwanda PEACE Plan Board of Directors joined Warren for today's press conference along with eight of more than 25 leaders that serve as Master Trainers for PEACE.

"These men, whether you realize it or not, are world leaders," Warren said. "What they are doing with churches in Rwanda is being watched by churches all around the world."

The PEACE Plan works worldwide to Promote reconciliation, Equip servant leaders, Assist the poor, Care for the sick and Educate the next generation, through a massive effort to mobilize millions of Christians to combat the five global evil giants of spiritual emptiness, self-centered leadership, extreme poverty, pandemic disease and illiteracy/education. Since its founding, Saddleback has sent over 23,000 members to implement The PEACE Plan in all 197 nations of the world.

"Most nations are validated by their strength in exports; Rwanda can become famous for exporting leadership," Warren said. "Rwanda should be the leadership and innovation capital of the continent of Africa. That is why I am calling leaders from across the continent to come to Rwanda next year to learn. The strength of Rwanda is not in the ground; it's in the people."

Through The PEACE Plan in Rwanda, Saddleback Church has worked together with the public, private and faith sectors of the nation – what it calls the three-legged stool of churches, government and businesses – to help lower the poverty rate, empty orphanages, provide healthcare, train pastors and provide education.

"What makes The PEACE Plan unique is that it is done by local churches, in local churches, in the community," said Warren. "I could take you to 10 million villages around the world where the only thing there is the church. The church is the biggest organization on the planet and has most potential to do good if mobilized."

Over 3,200 pastors have completed a three-year intensive training in the purpose-driven PEACE Plan. These churches now offer everything from micro-savings clubs to preschools to programs training farmers how to double their crops on the same amount of land.

Hey Rick - you should have said all of this back in 2006 when persecution of Christians were going on then too! Evil or Very Mad
Pastor Rick Warren Encourages Pastors to Pray for Persecuted Christians in Iraq & Syria during Leadership Training Gathering in Kigali, Rwanda

KIGALI, Rwanda, Aug. 13, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Dr. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and best-selling author of The Purpose Driven Life, today challenged pastors from across Africa to urgently pray for the persecuted Christians in Iraq and Syria during a Pastor Leadership Gathering in Kigali, Rwanda.

"Thousands of people are being killed for their faith in Syria and Iraq right now," said Warren. "You should have people in your church praying for our brothers and sisters who are being confronted by extremist Muslim forces saying, 'Convert or die.'"

Warren went on to offer a prayer, asking God to relieve the pain of those persecuted in Iraq and Syria, protect their families, and to use their sacrifice as a witness to those who don't know Jesus.

"Our hearts cry out for our brothers and sisters dying at this moment," Warren prayed. "We pray for those in prison and in chains around the world right now.  We thank You for their faithfulness and pray it will give us courage and prepare us for facing rejection. We pray if persecution comes into our lives, we will be (similarly) faithful to stand for Christ.

"We also pray for members of churches burned in Nigeria, India and Sri Lanka," Warren continued. "Help us never forget You have called us to come and die, and that this world is not our home. Help us to not look for the approval of others but the purposes of God."

Warren is currently in Rwanda with leaders from more than 35 nations, including 31 African countries, Russia, China, India and the U.S., training Rwandan pastors on the principles of being a Purpose Driven Church and The PEACE Plan.

Warren emphasized that both the leadership training this week and the Congress in 2015 will emphasize reconciliation, with Rwandan leaders sharing their stories of forgiveness and healing following the 1994 genocide, which took the lives of 1 million Rwandans and left 1 million children orphaned over the course of 100 days.

"I believe the secret to Middle East peace is in Rwanda," Warren said during a press conference in Kigali on August 11. "What is happening in this country is unique because of the unity among all the churches and denominations. World leaders should be studying Rwanda; this should be the model."

The training this week is in preparation for an All Africa Purpose Driven Church Continental Congress to be held August 6-10, 2015, in Rwanda, which will bring together pastors and church leaders from all 54 African nations in conjunction with Rwanda Shima Imana, a Day of Thanksgiving to celebrate reconciliation and gratitude on the anniversary of the Rwandan genocide. It will be the first of five annual continent-wide conferences to take place by 2020, with the second planned to be held in Latin America in 2016.
Pastor Rick Warren speaks at Vatican conference on family, marriage

Rick Warren spoke on the "Biblical Meaning of Marriage" Tuesday at the Vatican, where he is among 30 global religious leaders examining the changing roles of marriage and family in the world.

Warren joined leaders from 23 countries and 14 religions invited by Pope Francis on at the kickoff Monday to The Complementarity of Man and Woman: An International Colloquium.

“It’s great to be with leaders from different streams of Christianity from all over the world,” Warren said from the Vatican on Monday. “Although we have some differences, we all love Jesus Christ and we all want marriages and families to be healthy and strong.”

Upon meeting Pope Francis, Warren said: “Up close, you can feel the humility and compassion that others see from afar.”

Participants, who included Southern Baptist evangelist Russell Moore as well as Muslim, Jewish and Latter-day Saints representatives, will consider topics such as traditional marriage, cohabitation and same-sex marriage.

“Clearly this is a conversation that Pope Francis and the Vatican want to get ahead of,” said Juan Martinez, vice provost of Fuller Theological Seminary. “People of faith want to give a faith response, and that’s important.”

Vatican officials selected participants based on their interest in this topic and their reputations as leading religious voices worldwide, said Helen Alvare, a law professor at George Mason University and spokeswoman for the event.
The conference has been planned for a year and was coordinated by four Vatican offices: the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue; the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity; and the Pontifical Council for the Family. The conference is expected to create a deeper conversation on the relationship between men and women.

“Many believe that people talk about the relationship between men and women all of the time,” Alvare said. “That conversation is not very deep; it is usually about the troubles they are having, or about sex, but it doesn’t go deeper, to consider the meaning and purpose in the world and in the divine plan, of there being two sexes, drawn to one another, capable of a ‘one-flesh’ union, responsible for the creation of all new life.”

Religious scholars will examine how this relationship is lived in cultures and societies of Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Taoists, Muslims and Jews.

The focus is on the meaning of marriage around the globe, and God’s plan, as understood by religions around the globe.

Organizers expect the conference will address contemporary changes in traditional marriage and will seek a common ground among religious leaders outside the Vatican.

Martinez was not surprised that Warren was selected to attend and speak at the conference. Warren is a graduate of the Pasadena seminary and one of its most famous students.

“Rick Warren is a good positive spokesperson in the evangelical world,” he said. “He has influence in certain segments of the Christian world. He has a strong place in Orange County, but his books have been translated globally. His concepts have had a strong influence around the world. As he speaks, people will listen. As his perspectives are made public, they tend to become representative of a significant number of evangelicals.”
Rick Warren’s Call for Christians to Unite With Catholics, ‘Holy Father’ Raising Concerns

In a new video, megachurch leader and author Rick Warren is calling for Christians to unite with Roman Catholics and “Pope Francis,” who Warren recently referred to as the “Holy Father”—a move that is raising concerns among Christians nationwide and is resulting in calls for Warren to repent.

Warren made the comments following his visit to the Vatican last month, where he spoke at an interfaith conference on the “Complementarity of Man and Woman.”

“We have far more in common than what divides us,” he said in the two-minute video released by the Catholic News Service on Wednesday, described as being an outline for “an ecumenical vision for Catholics and Protestants to work together to defend the sanctity of life, sex and marriage.”

“They would all say, ‘We believe in the Trinity; we believe in the Bible; we believe in the resurrection; we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ,” Warren asserted, speaking of the various denominations within Christianity, of which he included Roman Catholicism. “These are the big issues.”

The author of the bestselling book “The Purpose Driven Life” then sought to defend Catholics from those who take issue with the practice of seeking the intercession of Mary and the various deceased persons that have been sainted by the Vatican.

“Sometimes protestants think that Catholics worship Mary like she’s another god, but that’s not exactly Catholic doctrine,” Warren contended. “People say, ‘What are the saints all about? Why are you praying to the saints?’ And when you understand what they mean by what they’re saying, there’s a whole lot more commonality [that we have with Roman Catholics].”

“There’s still real differences—no doubt about that,” Warren stated. “But the most important thing is, if you love Jesus, we’re on the same team.”

He closed by speaking of his belief that Christians and Catholics serve as co-laborers for the cause of defending life and family.

“When it comes to the family, we are co-workers in the field in this for the protection of the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex and the sanctity of marriage,” Warren said. “So, there’s a great commonality and there’s no division on any of those three.”

But Warren’s comments have raised concern from Christian leaders nationwide, who are now calling the Saddleback leader to repentance. Matt Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) repudiated each of Warren’s points.

“Sure, there are Catholics who love the real Christ, the one who died on the cross for our sins. That is not the problem,” he said. “The problem is the Roman Catholic Church’s false teachings concerning Mary and salvation.”

“Rick Warren says both the Catholics and the Protestants believe in the Bible. But, there is a significant difference between the Bible of the Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, which has added seven books,” Slick wrote. “[T]here are numerous problems in the apocryphal books, such as the teaching of salvation by works [and] the offering of money for the sins of the dead.

“Warren implies that both Protestants and Catholics have the same view of salvation,” he continued. “Though it’s technically correct to say that Catholics believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, they reject justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Instead, it teaches that good works of various kinds are necessary for salvation.”

The Christian apologist then pointed to several Roman Catholic teachings on Mary, mainly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), such as that Mary “by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” and that “[b]y asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All-Holy One.”

“Rick Warren has not only failed to recognize the problems in these serious areas, but he has lent his credibility as a Protestant pastor in support of the Roman Catholic Church,” Slick wrote. “This should never be done by any Protestant pastor who takes the Bible seriously. I must conclude that Mr. Warren does not take the word of God seriously and/or he does not understand the damnable teachings of Roman Catholicism regarding salvation.”

“Rick Warren needs to repent,” he said.

The War on Bible Prophecy
is war on Israel
Rick Warren hates Israel  

Oct. 2011  By Jim Fletcher, Prophecy Matters
Bible prophecy teachers have fallen into the trap of "predicting" events. Yet this is completely irrelevant when talking about what the Bible actually says about the subject.  The effect has been to marginalize Bible prophecy at a time when it is more relevant than ever.  Ironic.

SADLY, Bible prophecy teaching from our nation's pulpits slid off a cliff, so too did solid support for Israel.
We have a crisis in the context of how the next generations view the Bible, and, specifically, Israel.  A huge chunch of the church(es) have turned against Israel.  Palestinians see a huge harvest from the seeds of propaganda sown in the past two decades.

Evil presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton involved themselves in "peace-making" in the Middle East. They did more to damage Israel than perhaps any other president.  Carter virtually forced Israel to return the Sinai, which began a precedent for the now-failed "land-for-peace" idea. At present, Israel has pulled out of the Sinai, Gaza, and its southern buffer zone in Lebanon, as well as from administering the disputed territories in Judea/Samaria (the West Bank).

The result has been nothing but a dramatic increase in terror activity, because the Palestinian society has been radicalized by decades of anti-Semitic filth. To this moment, the Arab world does not accept a Jewish state in its presence and this extreme xenophobia is a subject that leaders of leftist religion in America simply ignore. Just as they ignore Israel's previous pullouts from "Arab land."

Rick Warren

This brings me to the worldview of today's leaders in America, concerned with how they are seen, whom they are seen with, and how influential they can become, NOT TRUTH.  Nowhere is this more visible than from the empire of Rick Warren.  Warren is a true CFR globalist. Warren decided long ago that the study of Bible prophecy is for losers. Traditional Christianity is for soft-minded morons.

Warren has contempt for Bible-believers.
Warren is a key in the growing attacks on Bible-believing Christians.

The War on Bible Prophecy is the same as the War on Israel. The left is gaining steam in this effort, and my concern is that conservatives are largely unaware.  Don't be fooled either by those who claim to stand for Israel's security and a Palestinian state. Those conditions are mutually exclusive.
* EDITED, Article much longer

*moved, posted by BornAgain2

Islam and the Vatican, Unholy Alliance
December 2014
-  CFR Rick Warren of Saddleback Church is one servant of Satan who has signed on.  The denominations represented in the list of signers are -
United Church of Christ
Baptist (mostly independent churches)
Many well known Christian Colleges

Global Government and the Coming Perfect Storm
The web of deception being engineered by Satan's forces is vast and well planned.
Global government is on the horizon. But it will take a crisis – both national and international –
to have it implemented. Gary Kah, Jan Markell and Eric Barger discuss the options that could lead to such crises. This is sobering. The racial unrest may play a role in this.
A perfect storm is forming to create a one-world government sooner than most expected.

Global Government and the Coming Perfect Storm  (radio)

Evil or Very Mad    ChrIslam is NAZISM, Spiritual treason!
For Christianity to merge with Romanism and/or Islam is Satanism!

Mars Hill Turning Over Pulpit to Rick Warren to Deliver Final Message Before Closing

Mars Hill has accepted an offer from megachurch leader and author Rick Warren to deliver the final message to the congregation this Sunday as it closes its doors following the resignation of Mark Driscoll.

“This Sunday, December 28th, will be our final Sunday as Mars Hill Church,” the website for Mars Hill reads. “Our dear friend Pastor Rick Warren from Saddleback Church has graciously offered to preach the final sermon for us.”

As previously reported, Driscoll temporarily stepped down from his leadership position at Mars Hill in August during a six-week review of charges lodged by 21 former pastors who accused him of abusing his power. He expressed his regret for his actions at that time.

“God is not honored by conflict, strife, disunity, arguing, slander, gossip, or anything else that is inconsistent with the fruit of the spirit, and I am deeply sorry, genuinely sorry, for the times I have not lived peaceably with all men,” Driscoll said.

Two months later, he resigned from Mars Hill Church, stating that he did not wish to continue to be a distraction to the ministry although the formal review cleared him of moral wrongdoing.

“By God’s grace I have pastored Mars Hill Church for 18 years. Today, also by God’s grace, and with the full support of my wife Grace, I resign my position as a pastor and elder of Mars Hill,” Driscoll wrote in a letter to Michael Van Skiak, the chairman of the Board of Advisors and Accountability over Mars Hill Church. “I do so with profound sadness, but also with complete peace.”

Following Driscoll’s departure, the leaders of Mars Hill, which has campuses throughout Washington and also one each in California, Oregon and New Mexico, decided to dissolve the ministry. They outlined on the Mars Hill website this week that some of the congregations will continue on their own.

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“As we reflect on over eighteen years of ministry, and ultimately close the doors on Mars Hill Church, we are thankful that many of our churches will continue as new independent, autonomous churches,” the leadership wrote. “While Mars Hill Church will cease to exist, God’s work through his people will continue.”

It was also noted that Rick Warren, author of the “The Purpose Driven Life” and leader of Saddleback Church in California, will deliver the final message to the congregation this Sunday.

“Each of our churches will be showing a special message from Pastor Rick, based on John 12:24,” the Mars Hill website outlines.

As previously reported, Driscoll invited Warren to speak at his “Resurgence” leadership conference in 2012, and released a nearly 7-minute video outlining his reasons for the invitation, knowing that many would question his decision.

“He has people who love him and hate him, and I am, quite frankly, one of the guys who really appreciates him,” he explained. “[H]e actually does things, and has something to teach us if we’re actually humble enough to learn it.”

However, the appearance generated controversy as some have expressed concerns about Warren since the release of his best-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life.”

“He seemingly seeks to be all things to all men,” stated writer Tim Challies. “[W]hen it comes to Warren, there appears to be a great deal of malleability. He will be one thing for one audience and another thing for another audience. He will move seamlessly back and forth. He will be A and then not A as the situation demands.”

In 2007, Warren invited Hillary Clinton to speak at his “Global Summit on Aids and the Church” conference, during which she received a standing ovation. Barack Obama had also been invited to speak the year prior.

In 2009, Warren spoke at the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America. At the event, he called upon “Muslims and Christians to form an interfaith coalition to combat prejudice and stereotypes.” Sayyid Syeed, one of the Islamic Society’s leaders, has confirmed that he and Warren have worked together on projects addressing the epidemics of malaria and AIDS.

Warren was also invited to deliver the invocation during the 2009 inauguration ceremony for Barack Obama. The openly homosexual “bishop” Gene Robinson was similarly asked to deliver the benediction. When Warren learned of Robinson’s appointment, he applauded the selection, stating that it was rightly done “all in the name of common ground.”

Most recently, Warren was featured in an interview released by the Catholic News Service, during which he called upon Christians and Roman Catholics to work together in defending the sanctity of life and family, likewise urging cooperation in the name of common ground. Warren had just finished speaking at a Vatican interfaith conference on the “Complementarity of Man and Woman.”
The word "church" is often taken from the name of the church, and the church may be called a "campus". Denominational names may also be removed.



“To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:10 (KJV)

Contrary to Purpose Driven Church propaganda, millions have been leaving their churches after the change occurred. It is important that every church member know if their church is targeted for a Purpose Driven Church takeover. Initially, a small clique of church staff, possibly including the pastor or a new pastor, plans the change without telling the rest of the church membership.

Church Transitions, an associate of Saddleback Church in California, trains the clique initiating the change in eight published steps. The church membership is not to be informed of the transition until the fourth step. After the sixth step in the process of change, if there are some in the church who voice concerns, the following is suggested:

Identify those who are resisting the changes;
Assess the effectiveness of their opposition;
Befriend those who are undecided about the changes;
Marginalize more persistent resisters;
Vilify those who stay and fight; and
Establish new rules that will silence all resistance.
This means the church membership is not told until it is too late to make a difference. In other words, the church is stolen. Then the members either accept the changes, or leave the church, which they may have served and given to build. Dr. Rick Warren, author of “The Purpose Driven Church” and “The Purpose Driven Life” has boasted: “When you reveal the vision to the church, the old pillars are going to leave. But let them leave… they only hold things up.”



Rick Warren is right in one way. It is the senior members of the church who do indeed hold a church up and keep it from falling into apostasy. While some PDC initiators may not implement the full PDC format, generally, these are the signs that your church is targeted for a Purpose Driven Church format:

Change in music to a contemporary rock style.
Removal of hymn books; eliminating the choir.
Replacement of organ and piano with heavy metal instruments.
Repetitive singing of praise lyrics.
Dressing down to casual and informal attire.
Eliminating of business meetings, church committees, council of elders, board of deacons, etc.
The pastor, or a new leader with a few assistants, usually four, takes charge of all church business.
A repetitive 40-day Purpose Driven Church study program stressing psychological relationships with each other, the community, or the world, begins.
Funded budgeted programs are abandoned, or ignored, with ambiguous financial reports made.
Sunday morning, evening, and/or Wednesday prayer meetings are changed to other times; some may even be eliminated.
Sunday School teachers are moved to different classes, or replaced by new teachers more sympathetic with the changes being implemented.
The name “Sunday School” is dropped and classes are given new names.
Crosses and other traditional Christian symbols may be moved from both the inside and outside of the church buildings. The pulpit may also be removed.
In accordance with Dr. Warren’s instructions, new version Bibles are used; or only verses flashed on a screen are referenced during regular services.
Purpose Driven Church films, purchased from Saddleback, precede or are used during regular services.
The decor, including the carpets, may be changed to eliminate any resemblance to the former church.
The word “church” is often taken from the name of the church, and the church may be called a “campus”. Denominational names may also be removed.
An emphasis on more fun and party sessions for the youth.
Elimination of altar calls or salvation invitations at the close of the services.
The elimination of such words as “unsaved”, “lost”, “sin”, “Hell”, “Heaven” and other Gospel verities from the pastor’s messages.
The reclassification of the saved and lost to the “churched” and the “unchurched”.
The marginalizing, or ostracizing, of all who are not avid promoters of the new Purpose Driven Program.
Closed meetings between the pastor or chosen staff members without any reports made to the general membership.
Open hostility to members who do not openly embrace the new program, or who may have left for another church.

If your church is in the initial stages of change (music or the first 40-day program), your church could be saved by talking with other church members, and with activist intervention by 10-20 percent of the membership. If nothing is done at this early stage, then by the time the program advances to step four, there is little that can be done except look for another church. Your church has been stolen and become a Purpose Driven entity in association with Saddleback Church of Orange County or Willow Creek of Chicago.

You must educate yourself, and others, so that you can mobilize the membership to effectively resist. “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” 2 Timothy 1:7.

The Purpose Driven Church books and most of the programs are published by Rupert Murdoch, who owns 175 newspapers worldwide, and a large percentage of the television and communications industry. He also owns several magazines, some of which have been classified as pornographic.

Billions of dollars pour into the Purpose Driven Church movement. Dr. Warren has stated he intends to send one billion Christians into the world to bring in the “Kingdom of Heaven”. The entire movement appears cultish. Don’t be fooled by the Saddleback Website. You don’t catch many fish unless you have a look-alike bait!

BBN streams online and I can get it on my radio also

This has been like the Moody Chicago radio station until May 2016.
SUDDENLY they are going toward the Beast!
Beast, globalism, one worldism

Moody radio, Moody church, Chicago

Light of Truth radio is EXCELLENT and accurate

The RAPTURE issue

They have put the Evil Rick Warren on their programming schedule.
It was bad enough when they put on John McArthur, who preachs you can take the mark of the beast and still be forgiven.  THIS IS FALSE!  Read Revelation 14.  ALL who take the mark will be in HELL - FOREVER!

I emailed BBN and WARNED them NOT to do this Evil.
Please Email them.  Send them this link!

Evil or Very Mad   Rick Warren preachs Islam
Chrislam Rick Warren Partnering With Mosques
Rick Warren is teaching the devilgod of Islam is the same GOD as Christianity.
NO!  IT IS NOT!!!!

Rick Warren has joined forces with Southern California mosques

Did Rick Warren pray to allah?
Rick Warren prayed an inaugural prayer invoking the Muslim deity allah.

Rick Warren tweeted about a visit from Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens).
These 2 being close upset Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch.

ChrIslam is NAZISM, Spiritual treason! (ecumenism)

Satan is extremely good at Deception!

Warren doesn't realize that these same Muslims he's partnering with will ultimately stab him in the back when all is said and done.

Muslims are NOT your friends, PERIOD. (and neither is the lost world for that matter too) Forum Index -> CHAPEL
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