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Bibi meetings with Hussein 0bama, WHY BOTHER?
PHOTOS FROM NOVEMBER 2009
because Obama would not allow a photo op today, essentially cursing Israel. Woe!
Obama has put an ARMS EMBARGO - ON ISRAEL! WOE!
Now the LORD said to Abram, Go forth from your country to the land which I will show you.
And I will make you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great.
And so you shall be a blessing. And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse
Bibi and Barak meet at White House - TWICE
March 24, 2010 [/b] Barack Obama and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu met Tuesday in an unusual pair of low-profile meetings at the White House, which,
according to the Prime Minister's Office, were "conducted in a good atmosphere."
In a break with custom that seemed linked to the crisis complicating US-Israeli relations, reporters were not invited to see them shake hands and begin their talks.
It is highly unusual for a visiting ally not to be seen with the president either for photographs or statements.
Obama and Netanyahu initially conferred for about 90 minutes in the Oval Office — a half-hour longer than scheduled. After that meeting, Obama retired to the residence while Netanyahu stayed behind in the White House to consult with his staff in the Roosevelt Room, a White House official said late Tuesday.
Netanyahu then asked for a second meeting with Obama, who came back downstairs to the Oval Office for another 35 minutes of talks with the prime minister, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Although they met for a total of two hours, the White House did not issue a formal statement on what was discussed in either meeting, another break with custom.
In its brief statement Wednesday morning, the PMO said that after the meetings, the two leaders' teams of advisers “continued to discuss the ideas that were raised,” and that the joint discussions would continue on Wednesday.
Earlier Tuesday, Netanyahu warned US congressional leaders that acceding to Palestinian demands on the capital could set back peace talks by another year.
He made his case, complete with flowcharts on the Israeli bureaucracy that determines Jerusalem building permits, during a visit to Capitol Hill, following a defiant speech the previous night before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee asserting the centrality of Jerusalem.
His speech and Capitol Hill visit came between meetings with Obama Tuesday night, Monday dinner with Vice President Joe Biden and an earlier meeting with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in her own address to AIPAC called Israeli building in east Jerusalem harmful to the peace process.
While members of Congress gave Netanyahu a warm reception, according to participants in the meetings, several congressional sources cautioned against taking that as a sign of agreement with Netanyahu’s stance or that the tensions in evidence between the US and Israel over the last two weeks had been resolved.
Those tensions began when an Interior Ministry committee advanced a new building project in Ramat Shlomo during a visit by Biden, a move that apparently blindsided Netanyahu and for which he apologized.
Along with US and international condemnation of the plans, which the Obama administration would like to see rolled back, the Palestinians have said that they wouldn’t enter into even indirect talks without the project being frozen.
“We must not let illogical or unreasonable demands trap us. This would draw out the diplomatic negotiations,” the prime minister said of the new Palestinian requirement, according to his spokesman.
During the visits with many members of Congress Tuesday, ahead of the White House meeting with Obama in the evening,
he defended Israel’s policy of Jerusalem construction, which under various governments had included
building in Jewish neighborhoods of east Jerusalem, like Ramat Shlomo.
“It was very pleasant,” said one person familiar with his meeting with House leaders,
which came between meetings with Jewish representatives and senators.
Ahead of that meeting, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told reporters that she was honored to welcome Netanyahu,
whom she described as “a strong leader for the Israeli people, a man prepared to make sacrifices
for the sake of peace and security of his country.”
She also stressed the long friendship and bipartisan support for Israel, saying, “In Congress, we speak with one voice on the subject of Israel.”
But several congressional aides described the show of support for Netanyahu as stemming from the positive feelings members had for Israel, rather than the specific message he delivered.
“Just as when you see a family member who you think is making the wrong choice, you still love them,” one Democratic staffer said.
“That doesn’t change the fact that over the past year we’ve had disagreements.”
He said members familiar with the sensitivities in Jerusalem and Netanyahu’s right-wing governing coalition,
which doesn’t want to see the east Jerusalem project halted, “understand the predicament he’s in, but what he did to the vice president is unacceptable.”
Another Hill staffer said that many members were unmoved by the Jerusalem flowcharts and maps.
“It’s a straw man,” he said. “It’s trying to repeat a trick that worked once… by making it a question about Jerusalem rather than negotiations.”
He added, “The point is, do you take the negotiations seriously or not?”
On Capitol Hill right now, he said, “there are people that have questions” about Netanyahu’s commitment to the peace process.
Obama's time is up, relating to his cursing of Israel and the Hell Bill he signed into law March 23. blog source
ARMS EMBARGO on ISRAEL
America, Israel's New Enemy
Quartet urges settlement freeze
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ZionsCRY DAILY NEWS with prophetic analysis
BEHIND WHITEHOUSE CLOSED DOORS is NOT GOODWHAT’S HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN THE OBAMA-NETANYAHU MEETINGS?
IT's NOT GOOD
DAMNED OBAMA DEMANDS SUICIDE from ISRAEL!!!
March 25, 2010
What in the world is going on behind the scenes of the Obama-Netanyahu meetings? Why are the talks so tense, and so shrouded in secrecy? Tonight, I have been able to gain some clues. It’s not good.
The Obama administration is applying intense and unprecedented pressure on the Netanyahu government to make huge unilateral concessions to the Palestinians even before direct peace talks begin. Says an advisor who has been briefed on the talks:
“President Obama is insisting that Israel sign a document that specifies Israel’s commitment to a peace deal with the Palestinians that will be based on 1967 lines. This means no building in Jerusalem, and a time table to address other core issues, like the ‘right of return.’”
The source, one that I trust a great deal, also notes that President Obama spoke by phone in the last 24 hours with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to make sure each of them are on board with pressuring the Israelis to make such unprecedented unilateral concessions. The White House apparently wants the document to become the blueprint for final status negotiations, even though the Palestinians refuse even to come to the table and sit down face-to-face with Israeli leaders, including Netanyahu.
The Netanyahu team delayed their departure out of Washington Wednesday afternoon to continue meeting almost non-stop together at the Israeli Embassy. Several key officials also met with special Mideast envoy George Mitchell and other key administration officials. The team is expected to leave back to Israel tonight. Thus far, a virtual news blackout has been imposed on President Obama’s meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu.
The two leaders met twice at the White House on Tuesday night for a total of about two hours, from 5:30pm to around 7pm, and then again from about 8:30pm to 9pm. Senior aides to both leaders then stayed up until nearly 1:00am Wednesday morning continuing their talks. The White House, however, has refused to treat Netanyahu and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak with the dignity and respect afforded other world leaders. No joint press conferences. No photo ops. No still shots released of the two leaders meeting. Pretty much ”no comment” to any of the substance.
The Netanyahu team, apparently following the request of the White House and trying to be sensitive to the desire of its host, hasn’t been talking either. On Wednesday morning, the Israelis canceled all interviews. Several news outlets have noted the silence related to the talks is “deafening,” and I agree. It’s hard to remember the last time a world leader of Netanyahu’s caliber — particularly a strong friend and ally of the United States — was subject to such treatment from an administration that claims to be hitting the “reset” button to improve relations between the two countries. Except for last year when Netanyahu came to Washington and also met with Obama without a photo op, press conference, or any of the diplomatic trappings of mutual respect and true friendship.
The central problem is the White House and State Department are trying to force Israel to divide Jerusalem and divide Judea & Samaria, commonly known as the West Bank. This is a mistake for numerous reasons, particularly because of Joel 3:1 in which the Lord says in the last days He will “enter into judgment” with “all the nations” because they have terribly mistreated the Jewish people “and they have divided up My land.”
Prophetically, I believe Israel will eventually be isolated from all countries in the world, especially as we approach the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 & 39.
Eventually, the Lord will wean Israel off of every nation – including the U.S. – so that the Jewish people only have Him to turn to and depend upon.
That said, however, the Scriptures are clear in Genesis 12:1-3 and elsewhere that those who bless Israel, He will bless, and those who curse Israel, He will curse.
We want our countries to be blessed by God, to experience repentance and revival and to be blessings to the rest of the world. Now, therefore, is the most critical time for true followers of Jesus Christ to show unconditional love and unwavering support to Israelis and to their Palestinian neighbors.
We need to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We need to show the love of Jesus to every Jew and Gentile in the Holy Land. And we need to strengthen the Church in the epicenter, encourage pastors and ministry leaders, and help them fulfill Isaiah 60:1-4.
In light of all that is happening, please prayerfully considering coming to the 2010 Epicenter Conference in Philadelphia this June 25-26. This event will provide the most practical training for pastors, ministry leaders and lay people in how to “learn, pray, give and go” that we have ever sought to accomplish in previous conferences. I believe it is very timely, especially with the theme the Lord has given us – “Building A Global Movement of Christians To Bless Israel, Come What May.”
To learn more about attending the conference, register, and/or how to sign up to show a webcast of the conference to your congregation, please go to www.epicenterconference.com and click on the top section called “webcast.”
The good news is: the God of Israel neither sleeps, nor slumbers. He is in charge. He is watching over His people to protect them. But He calls on us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, to educate Christians around the world about God’s love and plan for Israelis and Palestinians, and to care for both sides in real and practical ways, including food, clothing, medical supplies, and other forms of humanitarian aid. This is what The Joshua Fund is trying to do. We’re so grateful for your prayers and financial support. This is a critical moment for followers of Jesus Christ. May we be faithful to the Lord until He returns.
Netanyahu Reached out to CongressNetanyahu Reached out to Congress
March 24, 2010 By Joel Rosenberg
NETANYAHU’S NEW STRATEGY - REACH OUT TO CONGRESS
National Review runs column by Rosenberg on the AIPAC speech
[b]NETANYAHU TO AIPAC: STOP IRAN OR ISRAEL WILL[/b]
“After the worst week in U.S.-Israel relations in 35 years, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to Washington Monday and gave a powerful and effective speech at the AIPAC gala dinner at the Washington Convention Center, warning the world to stop Iran — or Israel will — and respectfully but directly challenging the Obama administration on Jerusalem and the peace process
Netanyahu’s strategy in rebuilding U.S.-Israel relations is now clear. Reduce tensions with the president and executive branch if at all possible, but focus on speaking directly to the American people and strengthening the truly pro-Israel end of Pennsylvania Avenue: Congress….”
Note: Canadian PM Stephen Harper — the most pro-Israel leader in the Western alliance at the moment — spoke to Netanyahu by phone on Monday
* Washington Post front page story reports the sharp contrast between how Netanyahu is being received by the White House (cold) and by Congress (hero): Visiting Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu received warm applause at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference on Monday night when he bluntly dismissed U.S. demands to end housing construction in the disputed part of Jerusalem.
He was greeted as a hero when he visited Capitol Hill on Tuesday. But the administration has been strikingly muted in its reception. No reporters, or even photographers, were invited when Netanyahu met with Secretary of State Clinton Hillary Rodham Clinton and Vice President Biden on Monday or when he met with Obama on Tuesday night. There was no grand Rose Garden ceremony. Official spokesmen issued only the blandest of statements.
* Washington Post reports that Netanyahu meets with Obama in two meetings for total of nearly 2 hours, but no one has any idea what was discussed
* New York Times: Israel Absorbs Twin Rebukes From Top Allies — dramatic shift in how White House and 10 Downing Street are treating Israel
* Pelosi: Congress speaks in “one voice” in support of Israel
* AP: Israeli leader gets warmer welcome in Congress
* New York Daily News: Congress puts out red carpet for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
* Politico: Israel has become a political primary issue
* Politico: Mike Pence: President Obama is ‘bullying’ Israel
* NYT: Netanyahu takes hardline on Jerusalem housing
* Washington Post: AIPAC crowd sides with Netanyahu, is cool towards Clinton and Obama administration: ”AIPAC officials rallied to the Netanyahu government’s defense. The only rebuke they delivered Monday was of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, their guest speaker. AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr, departing from his prepared text, took a swipe at Clinton for calling Israel’s insult of Biden ‘insulting.’ “When disagreements inevitably arise, they should be resolved privately, as is befitting close allies,” Kohr lectured. As Clinton waited backstage, he also informed her that the two nations ‘are allies, friends — they should treat each other as such.’ Further, he said, alluded to the housing construction: ‘Jerusalem is not a settlement.’ The lights went up, and the 7,500 in the hall jumped to their feet, applauding. Sensing an opportunity, the loyal opposition joined with AIPAC in taking Netanyahu’s side against the Obama administration. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), the Republican speaker at AIPAC’s dinner Monday night, seconded Kohr’s view that allies should ‘disagree quietly.’ Added Graham: ‘Howard said it best: Jerusalem is not a settlement! . . . No government in the United States should ever look at Jerusalem as a settlement!’ The place went wild.”
* Britain expels Israeli diplomat in passport row
No Change on Jerusalem PolicyNo Change on Jerusalem Policy
March 26, 2010
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's office said Friday that Israel will not change its policy vis-a-vis Jerusalem despite United States pressure. Netanyahu returned Thursday from a round of meetings in the US during which he was asked to restrict the construction of housing for Jews in parts of the capital city. Right wing MK's and groups are making efforts to show Netanyahu that mainstream Israel is with him on this issue.
Most Israeli mainstream media, however, described the meetings as a failure. The US hoped to talk Netanyahu into making major concessions to the Palestinian Authority, but Netanyahu refused to concede and said he would discuss the matter with his mini-Cabinet of seven senior ministers.
The prime minister is to meet with the seven ministers on Friday to discuss the outcome of his talk with Obama, and to submit America's demands for their consideration.
Obama pushed Netanyahu to agree to extend the construction freeze in Judea and Samaria, to release hundreds of terrorists affiliated with PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah organization, and to deny Jews the right to build in parts of Jerusalem that were under Jordanian control between the years 1948 and 1967.
Obama Criticized over 'US-Engineered Deadlock'
Obama's attempt to win Israeli concessions was criticized in America as well as in Israel. The Washington Post published an editorial this week terming the deadlock between Israel and the PA as “a US-engineered deadlock.”
Author Jackson Diehl noted that each of Obama's demands on Israel led to Abbas declaring that the PA will not begin negotiating with Israel if the demand is not met. “How could he do otherwise?” Diehl asked. “The Palestinian leader cannot be less pro-Palestinian than the White House.”
In addition to reducing the PA leadership's willingness to hold talks, Obama “has added more poison to a U.S.-Israeli relationship that already was at its lowest point in two decades,” Diehl continued.
"Netanyahu is being treated as if he were an unsavory Third World dictator, needed for strategic reasons but conspicuously held at arms length. That is something the rest of the world will be quick to notice and respond to,” he said. “Just like the Palestinians, European governments cannot be more friendly to an Israeli leader than the United States. Would Britain have expelled a senior Israeli diplomat Tuesday because of a flap over forged passports if there were no daylight between Obama and Netanyahu? Maybe not.”
Bibi Response to US to wait until after PassoverBibi Response to US to wait until after Passover
March 26, 2010, Friday
Senior ministers' forum to begin discussing American demands for gestures to Palestinians on Friday.
State officials stress Netanyahu has faith in Obama, (?) despite Obama's nasty attitude during Bibi's visit to Washington
Not if you ask the Israelis. A senior source said on Thursday night after Benjamin Netanyahu's return from tense talks with Barack Obama that "we don't think there is a crisis and rift between us and the United States. Netanyahu has faith in Obama, and we have no reason to believe that it's different on the other side." Yeah, right
The government's 7 senior ministers are expected to convene Friday to start working on an Israeli response to the American demands.
The US president's attitude towards Netanyahu was compared by American newspapers to the treatment of "dictators" – a meeting without any media coverage, but according to the senior source, "The media descriptions about an atmosphere of crisis are exaggerated. Within 48 hours Netanyahu met with President Obama for almost two hours. He had long meetings with Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and received a great amount of support in his meetings at the Congress."
"It's true that there are disagreements on some of the issues, but that was the exact objective of the prime minister's meetings – to reach understandings on the peace process with Israel's most important ally in the world, and naturally to advance talks with our American friends on ways to handle the Iranian issue," the official said.
Netanyahu is scheduled to meet with his seven senior ministers at 1 pm Friday, but they are not expected to decide on the six main points of disagreement with the Americans. Obama demanded answers from Israel, but did not set a deadline.
Although the efforts by US officials George Mitchell and Dennis Ross and Israeli officials Yitzhak Molcho and Ron Dermer to reach an agreement to reach an agreement failed Wednesday, state officials believe that the response will not be immediate and will not be in writing.
The top ministers' forum is expected to hold additional meetings before the holiday, and most likely during the intermediate days of Passover as well. Israel hopes that the "proximity talks" with the Palestinians will be launched after these meetings.
Opening points for negotiations
The main bone of contention is the construction in Jerusalem, which is followed by the demand for a complete freeze in settlement building in the West Bank even after September, the date set by the cabinet. Additional points of dispute include:
* Humanitarian relief in Gaza
* Transferring territories to Palestinian security control, which according to PA sources include Abu-Dis.
* A generous prisoner release gesture aimed at bolstering Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, which will include some 2,000 prisoners – according to the Palestinians.
* Discussing all the core issues of the conflict in the indirect negotiations.
Netanyahu found it difficult to make decisions on these issues in Washington, explaining that "I have partners in the coalition and I must listen to their stand." A second argument, which was not voice loudly to the Americans, is that the negotiations are being held in practice with the US, instead of with the Palestinians.
"Moreover," said a source in the Israeli delegation after returning from Washington, "these are not negotiations for an agreement – but for launching indirect talks. Anything we don't agree on with the Americans will be an opening point for negotiations with the Palestinians, in indirect talks.
"What will be the prices when we reach the direct talks? Will a right-wing government, which was elected democratically on the backdrop of a completely different perception, be able to meet this price? This is why it is so important to reach an agreement between the members of the 7 ministers' forum. This is why a clear decision will likely be needed on each and every issue in the cabinet."
Netanyahu will ask his six ministers – and particularly the four rightist hawks (Avigdor Lieberman, Eli Yishai, Moshe Yaalon and Benny Begin) to look into each demand in a bid to prove Israel's willingness, without crossing the red lines.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who was perceived during the recent trip as the responsible adult, accepted by both sides, remains optimistic. He believes that it is possible to bridge the gaps created following Obama's demands, launch the talks and even reach an agreement.
"My impression," said an official involved in the talks held in Washington this week, "is that the US does not want to stop playing by the rules with Israel. This is not their interest. What can they gain from this? They want an accomplishment, with which they'll be able to come to the Arab League, to the international community, to the Palestinians.
"The president wants an achievement on the backdrop of all the difficulties in his foreign policy – from Afghanistan, through Iraq, to the sanctions against Iran. The Americans are basically telling us this week, 'Let us reach this achievement, so that it will serve you too. This way we can also strengthen the trust between Washington and Jerusalem.'"
Source in Washington also stressed the need for an "accomplishment" on Thursday. The American administration was surprised twice by approvals of Israeli building plans on the verge of a declaration of negotiations, enraging Obama – who responded as he did. The response was so strong, that an Israeli source said Netanyahu "did not understand what Obama wanted from him".
Netanyahu humiliatedBinyamin Netanyahu humiliated by Hussein 0bama
March 26, 2010
For a head of government to visit the White House and not pose for photographers is rare. For a key ally to be left to his own devices while Hussein 0bama withdraws to have dinner in private was, until this week, unheard of. Yet that is how Binyamin Netanyahu was treated by Obama on Tuesday night, according to Israeli reports on a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.
After failing to extract a written promise of concessions on settlements, Obama walked out of his meeting with Mr Netanyahu but invited him to stay at the White House, consult with advisers and “let me know if there is anything new”, a US congressman, who spoke to the Prime Minister, said.
“It was awful,” the congressman said. One Israeli newspaper called the meeting “a hazing in stages”, poisoned by such mistrust that the Israeli delegation eventually left rather than risk being eavesdropped on a White House telephone line. Another said that the Prime Minister had received “the treatment reserved for the President of Equatorial Guinea”.
Left to talk among themselves Mr Netanyahu and his aides retreated to the Roosevelt Room. He spent a further half-hour with Obama and extended his stay for a day of emergency talks to try to restart peace negotiations. However, he left last night with no official statement from either side. He returned to Israel yesterday isolated after what Israeli media have called a White House ambush for which he is largely to blame.
Sources said that Mr Netanyahu failed to impress Obama with a flow chart purporting to show that he was not responsible for the timing of announcements of new settlement projects in east Jerusalem.
Obama was said to be livid when such an announcement derailed the visit to Israel by Joe Biden, the Vice-President, this month and his anger towards Israel does not appear to have cooled.
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, cast doubt on minor details in Israeli accounts of the meeting but did not deny claims that it amounted to a dressing down for the Prime Minister, whose refusal to freeze settlements is seen in Washington as the main barrier to resuming peace talks.
The Likud leader has to try to square the rigorous demands of the Obama Administration with his nationalist, ultra-Orthodox coalition partners, who want him to stand up to Washington even though Israel needs US backing in confronting the threat of a nuclear Iran.
“The Prime Minister leaves America disgraced, isolated and altogether weaker than when he came,” the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz said.
In their meeting Obama set out expectations that Israel was to satisfy if it wanted to end the crisis, Israeli sources said. These included an extension of the freeze on Jewish settlement growth beyond the ten-month deadline next September, an end to building projects in east Jerusalem and a withdrawal of Israeli forces to positions held before the second intifada in September 2000.
Newspaper reports recounted how Mr Netanyahu looked “excessively concerned and upset” when he pulled out a flow chart to show Mr Obama how Jerusalem planning permission worked and how he could not have known that the announcement that hundreds more homes were to be built would be made when Mr Biden arrived in Jerusalem.
Obama then suggested that Mr Netanyahu and his staff stay at the White House to consider his proposals so that if he changed his mind he could inform the President right away. “I’m still around,” the daily newspaper Yediot Aharonot quoted Mr Obama as saying. “Let me know if there is anything new.”
With the atmosphere so soured by the end of the evening, the Israelis decided that they could not trust the telephone line they had been lent for their consultations. Mr Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, his Defence Minister, went to the Israeli Embassy to ensure that the Americans were not listening in.
The meeting came barely a day after Obama’s health reform victory. Israel had calculated that he would be too tied up with domestic issues to focus seriously on the Middle East.
Point of no returnPoint of no return
The strife between Israel and the United States concerns something far bigger than the proximity talks with the Palestinians. As far as President Barack Obama and his senior advisers are concerned, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is to blame for nothing less than damaging the standing of the U.S.in the Middle East and the Muslim world.
Just as Netanyahu received his standing ovation at the AIPAC conference, Obama and his advisers were ruminating over an altogether different convention - the Arab League begins a meeting Tripoli on Saturday. For the Americans, Netanyahu's Likudnik speech and the Shpeherd Hotel project matched in embarrassment the scandalous announcement of construction in East Jerusalem during Vice President Joe Biden's visit here.
This year's Arab League summit will be the scene of struggle between the allies of Iran and the allies of American, and the violation of the status quo in Al Quds - Jerusalem - has direct implications for the balance of power between the sides. Over the last few weeks, Americans have been giving life support to the Arab Peace Initiative, born at the League's summit in Beirut 2002 and set to be on the agenda this week.
The absence of Egyptian President Mubarak, who is recovering from an operation in Berlin, doesn't make it any easier for the U.S. to resist the efforts of Syria and Libya to suspend or possibly even terminate the peace initiative. The al-Mabhouh assassination, insulting as it was to the rulers of the Gulf, doesn't do much for the other proponents of the initiative, King Abdullah of Saudia and King Abdullah II of Jordan. The Saudi king had asked the Quartet for clarifications about Israel's latest moves in Jerusalem and specifically about Netanyahu's statement of intent for the Arab part of the city.
The messages coming to the White House from Riyadh and Amman, then, were starkly clear: If you don't rein in your Israeli friends, Tehran won't be the only Middle East capital where American flags will burn.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates has decisively supported General David Petraeus, the first American military man in years to describe Israel as a strategic burden on the U.S. Gates said America's rivals in the Middle East are abusing the standstill of the political process between Israel and the Arabs. He stressed that he had no doubt a lack of peace in the region was influencing American interests there.
Netanyahu had been hoping to buy time until November's Congressional elections, which coincide with the deadline he set for the settlement freeze. But with America's strategic interest on the line, Bibi's favorite political game (playing the Jewish community and Congress against the White House and the State Department) isn't working anymore. Obama decided his moderate Middle East coalition is more important than Netanyahu's extremist one. This is a point of no return.
Netanyahu-Obama dialogueA breakdown of Netanyahu-Obama dialogue over past year
Obama's objective is to destroy Israel entirely
After patiently listening to his guest’s scholarly lecture, Obama said the following words to Netanyahu:
I feel for you, the Israelis, and therefore I recommend that we set a binding timetable for
resolving the conflict between you and the Palestinians.
I’m determined to end it no later than a year before my first term in office ends.
More than 40 years have passed since you occupied the territories and there is no reason to delay or waste more time:
Everyone knows what the final-status agreement will look like. You do too. Bill Clinton outlined it in detail.
George W. Bush endorsed it.
As a black president with Muslims roots, I can get more benefits for you out of the Arabs than my two predecessors.
I therefore expect you, Mr. Prime Minister of Israel, to show guts, draw courage, and lead your state to peace in 2011.
The settlement construction freeze is needed only as a start.
Meanwhile, I will make the following pledge to you:
As long as I am America’s president, Iran will not possess military nuclear capabilities.
This I swear. God bless you, Mr. Netanyahu; God bless the people of Israel.
OBAMA is a LIAR, and HIS WORD IS MEANINGLESS!
And Israel is NOT 'occupied' the land legitimately BELONGS to Jews!
Netanyahu heard this and was stunned.
A week before the meeting, he rejected Finance Minister Dr. Yuval Steintiz’s advice not to travel to America,
and instead was tempted by Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who as always promised a pleasant and friendly conversation with Obama.
The aides and advisors prepared Netanyahu for a clash over the issue of Jerusalem construction:
He arrived at the White House equipped with good explanations.
Yet he was not prepared to hear, from the president, a firm, unequivocal and blatant
demand to complete the negotiations (which had not yet started) within a year and a half.
He felt the ground is shifting below his feet; his predications and assessments crumbled.
People who spoke with Netanyahu before the elections can attest to his position at the time. Netanyahu viewed himself as a person chosen by history for one mission only: Freeing Israel from the horror of an Iranian nuclear bomb. He did not link the enlistment of US support against Iran to an agreement with the Palestinians. With complete conviction, he argued that the conflict had been resolved in fact, and that the reality which had emerged in the territories is the solution. This is what we have: A Palestinian parliament already exists, as well as Palestinian elections, a Palestinian prime minister, a Palestinian flag, a Palestinian area code, and Palestinian police. They have full autonomy; almost a state.
Netanyahu pinned great hopes on advancing the Palestinian economy and reinforcing its institutions; through actions, rather than slogans. The diplomatic process – that is, the shining path that his predecessors took to nowhere – appeared to him as a needless diversion. A sort of ritual. Netanyahu was not excited over its existence, but was willing to take part in it in order to pay lip service. In his view, which was shared by many others, the demographic and political developments – half a million Israelis living beyond the 1967 borders, as well as the Hamas state in Gaza – pre-empted and annulled any thought of a final-status agreement.
The sense of disgust with the “diplomatic process” prompted author and journalist Tom Friedman to urge President Obama to refrain from US involvement in Israeli-Palestinian talks, at least until the sides are prepared for mutual concessions. Up until a month or two ago, it appeared that the Administration in Washington took Friedman’s advice and that Netanyahu’s approach proved itself. Obama conveyed a sense of voluntarily helplessness.
Yet then came the shock, the consternation, and the pressure. Suddenly, the prime minister of
Israel found himself facing an American president who is focused on his objective.
A president who shakes his finger at the PM and says: Mr. Netanyahu, in order to hit Iran I need an agreement in Palestine.
The time for evasive maneuvers has run out. It’s either peace now, sir, or you will pay now.
When Salam Fayyad, the most moderate and pro-American prime minister the Palestinians ever had, and will ever have, declared in Passover that soon his people will celebrate the establishment of their new state, which will be recognized by the world and by Israel with Jerusalem as its capital, it was Barack Obama who spoke from Fayyad’s mouth. Both of them share the same vision.
Now Netanyahu understands. Now he needs to either make a decision, or go home.
Jews Inhumanity to Jews
January 20, 2012 I have been saying
I DO NOT BELIEVE ISRAEL CAN TRUST the USA TROOPS NOT TO TURN ON THEM.
Email to me reads similar to what I have been saying in ZionsCRY!
''9,000 American troops arrived in Israel, and I am so concerned that
the real reason for them being in Israel has very little to do with Iran.''
Jews Inhumanity to Jews
This is not another outpost eviction, Migron is a community.
What has been going on in Israel by its own Jewish leaders desperately requires prayer.
Many Christians are glad Bibi has not conceded to creating a Palestinian state yet, but PM Bibi Netanyahu has been allowing some terrible things.
Former Jewish residents of Gush Katif, Gaza are still suffering from the 2005 evictions.
Now Mitzpe Yericho, Givat Assaf and Migron communities are suffering the same war with the Israeli govt destroying their homes.
Police evicted 5 families from Yissa Beracha, located between Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley.
Police violently removed the families and beat protesters who had come to demonstrate against the eviction.
One woman was run down by a security vehicle, another hit on the head by police was refused medical treatment.
Israeli police used Arab contractors to gleefully rip down the homes.
3 police injured while evacuating Jews from their homes in Israel
GAZA eviction, legacy of Ariel Sharon
This is an interesting read
Deepening US-Israeli discord on Iran
March 1, 2012 Hussein 0bama and Israeli PM Binyamin Netanyahu will meet at the White House on March 5.
WHY does Bibi bother?
The 0bama Iran policy is shifting red lines, goal to avoid a confrontation.
Interpretation - Hussein 0bama keeps giving the edge to Iran, the cold shoulder to Israel.
Israeli President Shimon Peres (bad guy) is to meet 0bama March 4, Sunday, when both Bibi and 0bama address AIPAC.
AIPAC (The American Israel Public Affairs Committee) opens that day in Washington.
If AIPAC is wise they will have 0bama speak first.
Most significant difference between Jerusalem, Washington is where to draw the "red line";
US officials say Netanyahu unconvinced of US resolve to stop Iranian proliferation.
Nov 10, 2015 - Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin had stressed that any international deal on Syria’s future must take Israel’s interests into account. The meeting at the White House with Bibi and resident Barack Obama lasted 2.5 hours. Topics were Syria, Russia and ISIS. Netanyahu emphasized that Israel reserved red lines against attacks being staged onSyria Golan. He said Israel would continue to thwart weapons transfers from Syria to Lebanon.
Bibi meets Barry
Netanyahu called meeting with Obama ‘one of best’ they’ve had.
Frankly, if you examine that with knowledge, Bibi didnt say the meeting was good. Bibi said he was not asked to freeze settlements, told reporters the meeting with resident Obama was positive and productive.